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9 hours ago, cripplereh said:

Tanev is NOT worth a 1stbthat is laughable plus a prospect hahaha.

 

He might get you a second and b prospect.

sry tanev at the deadline with retention is worth a late 1st and a prospect. he's one of the premier shutdown defenceman in the league. there are plenty of worse players that have gone for more as a rental at the deadline. typical people here will over value their player while undervaluing everyone else.. remember people were suggesting here myers at max retention might get you a late 1st at the deadline in the summer? or beau with retention will get u a late 2nd? for sure he won't be getting you a mid or high 1st.. but a late 1st and a prospect is easily doable if they max retention on it. especially on a contender with a beatup defence.

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29 minutes ago, Huggy Bear said:


Mantha has been underperforming for awhile, and has a  $1.7M higher cap hit than Garland. WSH may need to add prospect/pick to balance the value, and a 3rd party to broker the cap space.

He's also in the last year of his deal.  They can let him walk and fain the cap space or hope he fits you n van and flip him at the deadline for a mid round pick.

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1 minute ago, stawns said:

He's also in the last year of his deal.  They can let him walk and fain the cap space or hope he fits you n van and flip him at the deadline for a mid round pick.


True, but it seems they have some urgency to help Ovie set his records, before they can start a rebuild. 

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7 hours ago, Alflives said:

Garland has played very well under Tocchet this year. It’s most likely we keep him. Can’t see Allvin trading away Garland for crap return. This isn’t Benning. 

We dont talking about quality of player.Garland is more than good.Problem is you dont run 5 mill third or fourth line player.Garland and Beu must go to be able to have good top 4 RD.Just logic.The way we play defense now wont last forever.

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3 minutes ago, stawns said:

Straight up

 

Just double-checked and his salary is only ~$800k more than Garland's (I was wrong in my other post). I still don't think that's a good deal, though.  

 

First, It's been reported we want to clear up a $1-2M (likely to re-sign Bear), and this deal adds ~$800k we can't afford. This handicaps our goal to make the playoff this year, vs. improve the team short term. 

 

Mantha is big, but doesn't use his size, and doesn't PK - he's a struggling offensive player on an expiring contract. For this year, we'd be adding (basically) a bigger Beauvillier, who's miscast in our bottom 6, while not creating any cap relief for this year, to address our defense. As a struggling, project player, who doesn't use his size, he would likely have little value at the TDL as well.  

 

So, we'd be hurting our playoff chances this year (salary cap and a miscast player in our bottom 6), to get out of the last two years of Garland's contract. Think we can do better @stawns

 

@qwijjibo the article above proposed sending Armia back to the Canucks in a 3 way deal.  What's your take on him?  Could he be useful in a PK/defensive bottom 6 role for the Canucks this year? 

 

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1 minute ago, Huggy Bear said:

 

Just double-checked and his salary is only ~$800k more than Garland's (I was wrong in my other post). I still don't think that's a good deal, though.  

 

First, It's been reported we want to clear up a $1-2M (likely to re-sign Bear), and this deal adds ~$800k we can't afford. This handicaps our goal to make the playoff this year, vs. improve the team short term. 

 

Mantha is big, but doesn't use his size, and doesn't PK - he's a struggling offensive player on an expiring contract. For this year, we'd be adding (basically) a bigger Beauvillier, who's miscast in our bottom 6, while not creating any cap relief for this year, to address our defense. As a struggling, project player, who doesn't use his size, he would likely have little value at the TDL as well.  

 

So, we'd be hurting our playoff chances this year (salary cap and a miscast player in our bottom 6), to get out of the last two years of Garland's contract. Think we can do better @stawns

 

@qwijjibo the article above proposed sending Armia back to the Canucks in a 3 way deal.  What's your take on him?  Could he be useful in a PK/defensive bottom 6 role for the Canucks this year? 

 

It's a "much better in the long term" kind of deal.  Find a way to scrimp by this year and $5m+ comes off the books in the summer.

 

A way smarter move than 2 more years of $1m+ dead cap by retaining on Garland 

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I am an official couch gm and in my expert opinion, I say keep Garland for now. He’s playing well early in the year even though it hasn’t translated into a lot of points. I think if he continues to keep up his play, and I believe he’s motivated to do so, the points will come and then we can sell high. 

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1 minute ago, stawns said:

It's a "much better in the long term" kind of deal.  Find a way to scrimp by this year and $5m+ comes off the books in the summer.

 

A way smarter move than 2 more years of $1m+ dead cap by retaining on Garland 

 

If this was the only option vs. retaining on Garland, then I'd rather wait until later this season to see what else is available.  Agree that retaining is a terrible option. 

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2 minutes ago, BobbyClarke said:

I am an official couch gm and in my expert opinion, I say keep Garland for now. He’s playing well early in the year even though it hasn’t translated into a lot of points. I think if he continues to keep up his play, and I believe he’s motivated to do so, the points will come and then we can sell high. 

I am as well, but ok with a deal if they don't retain salary.  

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2 hours ago, RWJC said:

Conor Garland trade destinations: Four proposals for Canucks to consider

 

Jack Rabb

October 26, 2023, 9:49 AM

 

It hardly broke the internet when Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman broke the news that Vancouver’s Conor Garlandwas drawing interest from multiple teams across the league. 

It was well known that Garland, who recently hired a new high-powered agent in Judd Moldaver of Wasserman, had been given permission by the Canucks to seek a trade. It’s also widely recognized that the diminutive Garland is a reliable secondary scoring threat in any scheme. 

 

What remains to be seen, however, is just how much the price tag that Garland comes with ($4.95 million AAV for the next three seasons) will affect his trade return. 

 

It’s largely that contract, another vestigial feature of former GM Jim Benning’s regime, that has made Garland the odd man out for a Canucks team with just $162,500 of breathing room beneath the cap. 

 

At the time of his acquisition from Arizona, Garland was fresh out of his rookie deal and looked to be on the cusp of breaking out — he had just posted 39 points in 49 games during the COVID-shortened 2020-21 season on an objectively bad Coyotes team — and Benning bet big on the five-foot-10, 165-pound winger taking the next step. 
 

While that $4.95-million promise hasn’t entirely materialized, Garland has established himself as a dependable secondary threat with his above-average playmaking and finishing ability, skills that make him a valuable asset in the eyes of many. 

Shopping Garland around makes a lot of sense for Vancouver — their needs are defensive depth and financial manoeuvrability according to Friedman, and the wing is easily their greatest indulgence: Brock Boeser, Andrei Kuzmenko, Anthony Beauvillier, Ilya Mikheyev, and Garland all make around $5 million. 

 

The Canucks are reportedly willing to retain up to 30 per cent of Garland’s contract to facilitate a deal. They want to create $1-million-to-$2-million in cap space and get a defenceman in return, ideally somebody who would allow them to break up Quinn Hughes and Filip Hronek to allow Hronek to anchor the second pair. 

 

Complicating who the Canucks target is the potential return of UFA Ethan Bear, whom Vancouver is reported to have an interest in bringing back as he continues his rehab from off-season shoulder injury.

 

So, where will Garland land, and what can the Canucks expect to get back for him? Let’s take a look at some of the rumoured destinations: 

 

 

WINNIPEG JETS 

 

Winnipeg was one of the first teams that came knocking when Garland officially hit the trading block, and they look like a good match — they’ve got a backlog on the backend, $1.6 million in cap space, and without a doubt would benefit from some scoring punch outside of their top line, especially in light of the recent injury to Gabe Vilardi. They also have a habit of acquiring players who have term left on their contract. 

 

The Jets have several prospects who impressed during camp and the pre-season, including their smooth-skating 2019 first-rounder Ville Heinola and Declan Chisholm, who put up 43 points in 59 games last season in the AHL, plus four more in five playoff games. 

 

But at present, Nate Schmidt’s declining play and hefty price tag make him functionally unmoveable, creating a logjam on the back end. At some point, the Jets are going to have to move off of somebody — either standing pat with their defence corps and shipping off prospects to address other areas of need, or making space for their homegrown talent. 

 

None of the Jets’ expendable NHLers make sense cap-wise for the Canucks, besides perhaps Logan Stanley (who would be a spectacle next to fellow giant Tyler Myers), so they would have to hope that one of their intriguing prospects would be enough to get Vancouver to bite. 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Declan Chisholm, Mason Appleton 

 

Winnipeg receives: Garland (Canucks retain 15 per cent)

 

 

 

NASHVILLE PREDATORS 

 

Another early suitor in the Garland sweepstakes, rumour has it that Nashville isn’t as keen to make a deal anymore. 

 

The Canucks reportedly had their heart set on Dante Fabbro, a 25-year-old right-shot defenceman from Coquitlam, B.C. who’s been getting top-pairing minutes beside Roman Josi — in other words, the full package. Fabbro is on a one-year, $2.5 million contract after which he’ll become an RFA, and the Preds have an envious $7.6 million in cap space at the moment. 

 

However, with the recent injury to Luke Schenn, Fabbro has become far less expendable. Schenn is out of commission for four-to-six weeks with a lower body injury, and Nashville made off-season moves that suggest it’s trying to be competitive this year — do they trust a prospect like Jake Livingston to step up and work meaningful minutes after playing five games when his college season was over last spring? 

 

While this is approaching a best-case scenario for the Canucks, they’ll likely have to wait for Nashville’s defence to heal up before this could go through. Does Patrick Allvin have the patience to get his guy? 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Dante Fabbro 

 

Nashville receives: Conor Garland

 

 

 

 

WASHINGTON CAPITALS 

 

Washington would love to have someone like Garland on their side right about now. It’s early, but the Caps rank 30th in the league in shots per game (24.8), 32nd in goals per game (1.25), and they’ve got the worst goal differential in the competitive Eastern Conference. 

 

They can’t afford to fall behind. It’s also a question whether the Caps can even afford the asking price of an NHL-caliber defenceman for Garland when they’re giving up 33 shots a night and have $0 in cap space, but GM Brian MacLellan has been resolute in his desire for a top-six forward. 

The Capitals have a glut of defensive prospects, although much like the Jets, getting a deal done here would require the Canucks to compromise on their objective to land somebody who can slot into an NHL role when he steps off the plane. 

 

Factor in that Washington would likely need Vancouver to retain as much salary as organizationally possible on top of getting a third team involved to cover most of what’s left over and you’re left wondering if it’s worth the effort for the Canucks. 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Justin Barron 

 

Washington receives: Conor Garland 

 

Montreal receives: Anthony Mantha, Washington’s choice of 2024 or 2025 first-round pick

 

 

COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS 

 

Columbus is one of the most closely linked teams with Vancouver on the Garland front, and for good reason. They’ve got the cap space ($3.387 million currently), a wealth of right-handed defencemen, and a need for scoring wingers. 

 

Friedman used some innuendo on Hockey Night in Canada to imply that the Canucks were interested in Andrew Peeke in particular. Peeke is interesting — his reputation is that of a shut-down guy, but on a brutal Blue Jackets squad last year he had a team-low minus-41. He has strong one-on-one defending abilities, but got exposed by other teams’ top lines in a bigger role last season. 

 

Defencemen are notorious for taking longer to develop, and Peeke is still only 25 and signed through 2025-26 at a reasonable $2.75 million AAV. He was third in the league in blocked shots last season with 197 and threw 180 hits while averaging 21:15 of ice time across 80 games, which gives credence to the idea that he’s willing to play a stay-at-home game that could complement somebody like Quinn Hughes. 

 

However, he wasn’t a minus-41 for nothing. His lack of defensive zone awareness was alarming at times, and might be a contributing factor to why he’s losing a positional battle to Erik Gudbranson. Garland’s contract isn’t ideal, but this is far from a straight salary dump — the Blue Jackets might be the ones throwing in a sweetener here. 

 

Peeke could provide good minutes in a sheltered role for the Canucks right away, and if he can clean up his game in his own end to actualize his shut-down potential then this could be a respectable move for Vancouver, especially considering the $2.2 million in cap savings. 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Andrew Peeke, third-round pick in 2024 (via LAK) 

 

Columbus receives: Conor Garland 

 


 

link to rest of article:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/conor-garland-trade-destinations-four-proposals-for-canucks-to-consider/sn-amp/

 

 

I’d be all over us obtaining Justin Barron everyday and twice on Sunday…

 

Barron or Fabbro seem like the most ideal returns but with NSH staying pat for now and some smoke about MTL brokering the deal; is moving Barron for Mantha + picks, worth it for them?

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19 minutes ago, Huggy Bear said:

 

Just double-checked and his salary is only ~$800k more than Garland's (I was wrong in my other post). I still don't think that's a good deal, though.  

 

First, It's been reported we want to clear up a $1-2M (likely to re-sign Bear), and this deal adds ~$800k we can't afford. This handicaps our goal to make the playoff this year, vs. improve the team short term. 

 

Mantha is big, but doesn't use his size, and doesn't PK - he's a struggling offensive player on an expiring contract. For this year, we'd be adding (basically) a bigger Beauvillier, who's miscast in our bottom 6, while not creating any cap relief for this year, to address our defense. As a struggling, project player, who doesn't use his size, he would likely have little value at the TDL as well.  

 

So, we'd be hurting our playoff chances this year (salary cap and a miscast player in our bottom 6), to get out of the last two years of Garland's contract. Think we can do better @stawns

 

@qwijjibo the article above proposed sending Armia back to the Canucks in a 3 way deal.  What's your take on him?  Could he be useful in a PK/defensive bottom 6 role for the Canucks this year? 

 

Armia can look dominant then disappears for long stretches. Doesn't really use his size effectively.  Skates well though.   

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3 hours ago, RWJC said:

Conor Garland trade destinations: Four proposals for Canucks to consider

 

Jack Rabb

October 26, 2023, 9:49 AM

 

It hardly broke the internet when Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman broke the news that Vancouver’s Conor Garlandwas drawing interest from multiple teams across the league. 

It was well known that Garland, who recently hired a new high-powered agent in Judd Moldaver of Wasserman, had been given permission by the Canucks to seek a trade. It’s also widely recognized that the diminutive Garland is a reliable secondary scoring threat in any scheme. 

 

What remains to be seen, however, is just how much the price tag that Garland comes with ($4.95 million AAV for the next three seasons) will affect his trade return. 

 

It’s largely that contract, another vestigial feature of former GM Jim Benning’s regime, that has made Garland the odd man out for a Canucks team with just $162,500 of breathing room beneath the cap. 

 

At the time of his acquisition from Arizona, Garland was fresh out of his rookie deal and looked to be on the cusp of breaking out — he had just posted 39 points in 49 games during the COVID-shortened 2020-21 season on an objectively bad Coyotes team — and Benning bet big on the five-foot-10, 165-pound winger taking the next step. 
 

While that $4.95-million promise hasn’t entirely materialized, Garland has established himself as a dependable secondary threat with his above-average playmaking and finishing ability, skills that make him a valuable asset in the eyes of many. 

Shopping Garland around makes a lot of sense for Vancouver — their needs are defensive depth and financial manoeuvrability according to Friedman, and the wing is easily their greatest indulgence: Brock Boeser, Andrei Kuzmenko, Anthony Beauvillier, Ilya Mikheyev, and Garland all make around $5 million. 

 

The Canucks are reportedly willing to retain up to 30 per cent of Garland’s contract to facilitate a deal. They want to create $1-million-to-$2-million in cap space and get a defenceman in return, ideally somebody who would allow them to break up Quinn Hughes and Filip Hronek to allow Hronek to anchor the second pair. 

 

Complicating who the Canucks target is the potential return of UFA Ethan Bear, whom Vancouver is reported to have an interest in bringing back as he continues his rehab from off-season shoulder injury.

 

So, where will Garland land, and what can the Canucks expect to get back for him? Let’s take a look at some of the rumoured destinations: 

 

 

WINNIPEG JETS 

 

Winnipeg was one of the first teams that came knocking when Garland officially hit the trading block, and they look like a good match — they’ve got a backlog on the backend, $1.6 million in cap space, and without a doubt would benefit from some scoring punch outside of their top line, especially in light of the recent injury to Gabe Vilardi. They also have a habit of acquiring players who have term left on their contract. 

 

The Jets have several prospects who impressed during camp and the pre-season, including their smooth-skating 2019 first-rounder Ville Heinola and Declan Chisholm, who put up 43 points in 59 games last season in the AHL, plus four more in five playoff games. 

 

But at present, Nate Schmidt’s declining play and hefty price tag make him functionally unmoveable, creating a logjam on the back end. At some point, the Jets are going to have to move off of somebody — either standing pat with their defence corps and shipping off prospects to address other areas of need, or making space for their homegrown talent. 

 

None of the Jets’ expendable NHLers make sense cap-wise for the Canucks, besides perhaps Logan Stanley (who would be a spectacle next to fellow giant Tyler Myers), so they would have to hope that one of their intriguing prospects would be enough to get Vancouver to bite. 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Declan Chisholm, Mason Appleton 

 

Winnipeg receives: Garland (Canucks retain 15 per cent)

 

 

 

NASHVILLE PREDATORS 

 

Another early suitor in the Garland sweepstakes, rumour has it that Nashville isn’t as keen to make a deal anymore. 

 

The Canucks reportedly had their heart set on Dante Fabbro, a 25-year-old right-shot defenceman from Coquitlam, B.C. who’s been getting top-pairing minutes beside Roman Josi — in other words, the full package. Fabbro is on a one-year, $2.5 million contract after which he’ll become an RFA, and the Preds have an envious $7.6 million in cap space at the moment. 

 

However, with the recent injury to Luke Schenn, Fabbro has become far less expendable. Schenn is out of commission for four-to-six weeks with a lower body injury, and Nashville made off-season moves that suggest it’s trying to be competitive this year — do they trust a prospect like Jake Livingston to step up and work meaningful minutes after playing five games when his college season was over last spring? 

 

While this is approaching a best-case scenario for the Canucks, they’ll likely have to wait for Nashville’s defence to heal up before this could go through. Does Patrick Allvin have the patience to get his guy? 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Dante Fabbro 

 

Nashville receives: Conor Garland

 

 

 

 

WASHINGTON CAPITALS 

 

Washington would love to have someone like Garland on their side right about now. It’s early, but the Caps rank 30th in the league in shots per game (24.8), 32nd in goals per game (1.25), and they’ve got the worst goal differential in the competitive Eastern Conference. 

 

They can’t afford to fall behind. It’s also a question whether the Caps can even afford the asking price of an NHL-caliber defenceman for Garland when they’re giving up 33 shots a night and have $0 in cap space, but GM Brian MacLellan has been resolute in his desire for a top-six forward. 

The Capitals have a glut of defensive prospects, although much like the Jets, getting a deal done here would require the Canucks to compromise on their objective to land somebody who can slot into an NHL role when he steps off the plane. 

 

Factor in that Washington would likely need Vancouver to retain as much salary as organizationally possible on top of getting a third team involved to cover most of what’s left over and you’re left wondering if it’s worth the effort for the Canucks. 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Justin Barron 

 

Washington receives: Conor Garland 

 

Montreal receives: Anthony Mantha, Washington’s choice of 2024 or 2025 first-round pick

 

 

COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS 

 

Columbus is one of the most closely linked teams with Vancouver on the Garland front, and for good reason. They’ve got the cap space ($3.387 million currently), a wealth of right-handed defencemen, and a need for scoring wingers. 

 

Friedman used some innuendo on Hockey Night in Canada to imply that the Canucks were interested in Andrew Peeke in particular. Peeke is interesting — his reputation is that of a shut-down guy, but on a brutal Blue Jackets squad last year he had a team-low minus-41. He has strong one-on-one defending abilities, but got exposed by other teams’ top lines in a bigger role last season. 

 

Defencemen are notorious for taking longer to develop, and Peeke is still only 25 and signed through 2025-26 at a reasonable $2.75 million AAV. He was third in the league in blocked shots last season with 197 and threw 180 hits while averaging 21:15 of ice time across 80 games, which gives credence to the idea that he’s willing to play a stay-at-home game that could complement somebody like Quinn Hughes. 

 

However, he wasn’t a minus-41 for nothing. His lack of defensive zone awareness was alarming at times, and might be a contributing factor to why he’s losing a positional battle to Erik Gudbranson. Garland’s contract isn’t ideal, but this is far from a straight salary dump — the Blue Jackets might be the ones throwing in a sweetener here. 

 

Peeke could provide good minutes in a sheltered role for the Canucks right away, and if he can clean up his game in his own end to actualize his shut-down potential then this could be a respectable move for Vancouver, especially considering the $2.2 million in cap savings. 

 

Potential trade: 

 

Vancouver receives: Andrew Peeke, third-round pick in 2024 (via LAK) 

 

Columbus receives: Conor Garland 

 


 

link to rest of article:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/conor-garland-trade-destinations-four-proposals-for-canucks-to-consider/sn-amp/

 

 

I’d be all over us obtaining Justin Barron everyday and twice on Sunday…

 

I'd be all over either of those last two deals.

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36 minutes ago, qwijjibo said:

Armia can look dominant then disappears for long stretches. Doesn't really use his size effectively.  Skates well though.   

 

Dominant offensively or defensively (or both)?  Do you think he'd upgrade our bottom 6 defensively/on the PK?

 

thanks @qwijjibo

 

 

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Three way trade makes the most sense with Washington and Montreal:

 

Montreal gets Anthony Mantha

Washington gets Conor Garland

Vancouver gets Joel Armia

 

Armia is currently in the minors so I am sure Montreal would take the upgrade to Mantha.  Contract wise Armia is at $3.4 million for 2 more years while Mantha is at $5.7 million for one more year, so Montreal gets Armia's contract off the books for next season.  Washington gets Garland for 3 more years to help Ovi break the record.  Vancouver gets Garland's contract off the books for the next 3 more years but adds Armia's lower cap hit for 2 more years.  

 

Makes sense for all 3 teams.  Armia is a big dude at 6'3" and 216 pounds and shoots right, so he can slot into the 3rd line right wing spot for Garland.  Cap wise, we shed $1.55 million in cap space, so we can sign a RHD as well.  Maybe Bear or we can trade for someone else.  This also opens up the possibility to trade Beauvillier at 50% retention in order to get that RHD, Beauvillier's 50% cap hit plus $1.55 million would mean we could add a RHD for up to $3.625 million.

 

We could fit Peeke into the lineup for sure with the extra cap space. 

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6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Three way trade makes the most sense with Washington and Montreal:

 

Montreal gets Anthony Mantha

Washington gets Conor Garland

Vancouver gets Joel Armia

 

Armia is currently in the minors so I am sure Montreal would take the upgrade to Mantha.  Contract wise Armia is at $3.4 million for 2 more years while Mantha is at $5.7 million for one more year, so Montreal gets Armia's contract off the books for next season.  Washington gets Garland for 3 more years to help Ovi break the record.  Vancouver gets Garland's contract off the books for the next 3 more years but adds Armia's lower cap hit for 2 more years.  

 

Makes sense for all 3 teams.  Armia is a big dude at 6'3" and 216 pounds and shoots right, so he can slot into the 3rd line right wing spot for Garland.  Cap wise, we shed $1.55 million in cap space, so we can sign a RHD as well.  Maybe Bear or we can trade for someone else.  This also opens up the possibility to trade Beauvillier at 50% retention in order to get that RHD, Beauvillier's 50% cap hit plus $1.55 million would mean we could add a RHD for up to $3.625 million.

 

We could fit Peeke into the lineup for sure with the extra cap space. 

 

not sure why we'd do this one tbh, rather just keep Garland. Why would we want an overpaid 4th liner in Armia?

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