madrigal77 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: It's kind of exactly what it means. It doesn't and it's really not that hard to comprehend. 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: no. Rainbows are for religion alone. It is written. No one said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, madrigal77 said: It doesn't and it's really not that hard to comprehend. No one said that. It does. It's not really hard to comprehend... Why is it do you suppose that they don't like supporting "rainbow themes" for "the gays". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, madrigal77 said: It doesn't and it's really not that hard to comprehend. No one said that. mmm, kinda. You're suggesting the because abrahamic religions may have used that symbol from time to time it would be a legit reason to not support the use of it in hockey. FWIW, religious ideas are often bigoted. Your right to believe them is protected in our constitution, but they are still bigoted. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: Pardon me, but when did I "hurl insults" at anyone in this thread? Pointing out out bigoted actions, statements etc is not "hurling insults" FWIW. Sorry, that's on me. I'm definitely chucking insults around where they're warranted. No one wants to be called a bigot, especially a bigot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 9:42 PM, Ribs said: rainbow tape is so terrifying to look at. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 This is just a camo version of a religious thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrigal77 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 28 minutes ago, aGENT said: It does. It's not really hard to comprehend... Why is it do you suppose that they don't like supporting "rainbow themes" for "the gays". You have reading comprehension problems? I already told you because they may see it as a religious symbol that they don't want to wear for other reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, madrigal77 said: You have reading comprehension problems? I already told you because they may see it as a religious symbol that they don't want to wear for other reasons. Which symbolism might that be? Hope, peace, promise, new beginnings, wealth, magic, art, literature, light after storm, divine promise from God to Noah not to flood the world again, or peace and social change. Care to speculate which would cause someone to not want to wear it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, madrigal77 said: You have reading comprehension problems? I already told you because they may see it as a religious symbol that they don't want to wear for other reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said: "other reasons" Like the bigoted reasons we're referring to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrigal77 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, aGENT said: "other reasons" Like the bigoted reasons we're referring to? Bigoted how? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, StrayDog said: Ok, let's play the stereotype game. So around 50 straight white male tradesman; says he has native and gay friends and that makes him not racist/ homophobic. Made a point of mentioning his team so still plays some form or organized beer league sport. Canucks fan. So a poorly read and undereducated person who peaked sportswise in high school (aka Al Bundy Syndrome). Believes his gay and native friends are totally on board with his crass jokes at their expense (because they're "the good ones") as long as they don't make straight white jokes. Will riot if things don't go his way, and really thinks women don't belong in the workplace but will say otherwise or his wife will cut him off. Not an American but still thinks Trump has a lot of really good ideas. Did I do it right? Too much. I have my way, it works, I am a good fair person. You be you, I'll be me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, MeanSeanBean said: The right way? In this case it's down playing the effects that a inherent homophobic culture has on young people wanting to get into organized sports. The entire reason why this is a conversation we have to be having in the first place. I sure as shit hope that wouldn't fall under your code of stereotyping ethics... Whatever. I don't see it as black and white as you and others. I use stereotyping and profiling to help make some of my decisions, sometimes, and not all of them, and will never change that. I don't get to caught up on what some people feel is the new "right" way. Just because there is a new "right" way of thinking doesn't make it correct. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrigal77 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, aGENT said: "other reasons" Like the bigoted reasons we're referring to? Also by other reasons I meant like for rainbow hockey jersey reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, madrigal77 said: Bigoted how? By actively, vocally refusing to support inclusion of a group of people for simply being who they are... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 55 minutes ago, Rekker said: Whatever. I don't see it as black and white as you and others. I use stereotyping and profiling to help make some of my decisions, sometimes, and not all of them, and will never change that. I don't get to caught up on what some people feel is the new "right" way. Just because there is a new "right" way of thinking doesn't make it correct. When it comes to inclusion in organized sports and having marginalized groups feel welcome and safe joining those activities, there is a right and a wrong way of thinking actually. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, Rekker said: Whatever. I don't see it as black and white as you and others. I use stereotyping and profiling to help make some of my decisions, sometimes, and not all of them, and will never change that. I don't get to caught up on what some people feel is the new "right" way. Just because there is a new "right" way of thinking doesn't make it correct. From your posts over the years you strike me the kind of person that would be open to new information. If someone could show you how necessary pride is for the NHL would that help? Brian Burke is a good place to start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrigal77 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, aGENT said: By actively, vocally refusing to support inclusion of a group of people for simply being who they are... Again, they are refusing to wear a rainbow jersey. It's not bigoted to not wear a damn hockey jersey . Are you daft or something? I already explained to you that they might view it as a religious symbol that they don't want to wear in meaning of something else. There's absolutely nothing bigoted about that. Or are you saying that the rainbow can ONLY mean gay and must be celebrated by all as such? Even though it's been a sacred symbol across many cultures and religions for thousands of years? Edited October 17, 2023 by madrigal77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, madrigal77 said: Again, they are refusing to wear a rainbow jersey. It's not bigoted to not wear a damn hockey jersey Depends on the reason you aren't wearing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrigal77 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, Bob Long said: Depends on the reason you aren't wearing it. Because they don't want to. That's why. That's the only reason they need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, madrigal77 said: Again, they are refusing to wear a rainbow jersey. It's not bigoted to not wear a damn hockey jersey So if you support someone’s right not to wear the jersey I can assume you support the right to wear the rainbow jersey for the other 740 players that want to wear it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, madrigal77 said: Because they don't want to. That's why. That's the only reason they need. Ok. But that's not what some of them said. And if the reason is valid why hide it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrigal77 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, 4petesake said: So if you support someone’s right not to wear the jersey I can assume you support the right to wear the rainbow jersey for the other 740 players that want to wear it. No because the NHL has said no special jerseys of any kind. That's the rules. It keeps everything inclusive for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, madrigal77 said: No because the NHL has said no special jerseys of any kind. That's the rules. It keeps everything inclusive for everyone. Which is stupid. We have to cancel Diwali because some bigots cant handle a pride jersey. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AatuD2 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 None of this would've been an issue if everyone celebrated the 740 players that wore the jersey. No, instead a few loud obnoxious people had to single out 2 or 3 players and make the entire thing about them and why they're not wearing the jersey. Now this is what we get because the league didn't want any bad publicity that came from last year. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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