Boudrias Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Friedman looks good out there. IMO he can do what Bear does. If Bear comes in after being away for a 8-9 months, then he is probably a 6/7 Dman. I would sign him to a $1 million deal to replace Juulsen. Friedman has been playing well. He has some size and works the boards well. If Bear has an edge it is on offense. He has a decent shot. The seperation isn't enough to make much of an offer to Bear. Ultimately if Hronek continues to play with Hughes then PA has to nab a 2 RD not a 3. I have been a big advocate of building towards serious CUP contention in 2025 but this team is accelerating the process if they continue this level of play. That could change how Alvin approaches player movement. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: Friedman has been playing well. He has some size and works the boards well. Friedman has 1 inch and 7 pounds on Huggy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: Friedman has been playing well. He has some size and works the boards well. If Bear has an edge it is on offense. He has a decent shot. The seperation isn't enough to make much of an offer to Bear. Ultimately if Hronek continues to play with Hughes then PA has to nab a 2 RD not a 3. I have been a big advocate of building towards serious CUP contention in 2025 but this team is accelerating the process if they continue this level of play. That could change how Alvin approaches player movement. Ottawa is sucking pucks. Maybe we can nab Zub? Garland + our 2024 (top 10 protected) first and Woo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, Alflives said: Ottawa is sucking pucks. Maybe we can nab Zub? Garland + our 2024 (top 10 protected) first and Woo? Is Zub that good? 1st seems pretty high no? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, Alflives said: Ottawa is sucking pucks. Maybe we can nab Zub? Garland + our 2024 (top 10 protected) first and Woo? #WeAreGoldStar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Is Zub that good? 1st seems pretty high no? IMHAO he’s a solid second pairing right side D. I thought if we’re moving out Garland in the deal that’s got a cost (don’t want to retain) so add the coast of moving Garland (1.5 mil x 3 more seasons) and I see the first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 8:57 PM, Provost said: We should really hope to improve on him, he is a 3rd pairing guy on a good team. Maybe as a bandaid for the rest of the year pro-rated and cheap. At this point, it is probably insane to think of breaking up Hughes-Hronek which means we really need a couple 2nd pairing guys (imagine having the cap from Myers/Beauvillier/Garland devoted to two D). Ian Cole is so far our best D outside the top pairing and better than Bear. He buys us some time to find a longer term solution or see if a prospect turns into a top 4. Yep and maybe after this year and Myers contract expires, Canucks could extend Bear to fill Myers' position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) Bear is listed as the same height, a year younger and about 15 pounds heavier than Friedman, for what it’s worth. I didn’t notice him in a bad way re: physical play, either. He also logged a lot more minutes. Though Friedman with Cole have been great - he’s been sheltered so far. At their likely price, I don’t see why we wouldn’t want both unless we’re bringing back Myers on a significant hometown discount. 2RD is going to be a pain to cover unless we play someone on their off hand. UFA wise, Pesce is the biggest RHD name by far with actually Myers and a couple of guys (Seabrook and Muzzin) who have long since retired due to injury. Dumba and Tanev also kicking around. Maybe take a run at a big body like Hakanpaa? In all seriousness, barring trade we might be lucky to land Bear and keep Friedman, especially if they’re on sub ~1.5 mil deals. Edited November 5, 2023 by The Duke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Alflives said: IMHAO he’s a solid second pairing right side D. I thought if we’re moving out Garland in the deal that’s got a cost (don’t want to retain) so add the coast of moving Garland (1.5 mil x 3 more seasons) and I see the first. Ah ok. Is he physical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted November 5, 2023 Author Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) I can envision the costs for a proven top 4 RHD, whether by trade or UFA, being exorbitantly high and difficult for us to structure within contract increases and without hurting this team as a whole. Seeing as mgmt been quite good identifying players that they can squeeze value out of against respective cap hit, it wouldn’t surprise me if they have a few targets in mind that are currently younger 4/5/6 Dmen who they believe are ready, or very close, to moving up the depth chart and would have that opportunity here. There is going to be a need longterm to alleviate the salary increases to the core, while also navigating the restriction of the OEL buyout, and as soon as the 2025/26 season we could be looking at a very top heavy $$ club. I imagine mgmt is hoping to slot in some farm players into ELC’s by that time which will help, but it wouldn’t surprise me if we forego any of the big names bandied about right now, and instead make a solid hockey investment into an under exploited Dman whom they think can organically assume the mantle of guys we discuss bringing in eg. Pesce. There are some serious raises coming up with the way certain players are playing. In my estimation and in accordance with salary inflation and max cap increases: EP: 12-13 Hronek: 7.5-9 Demko: 8-9 Kuz: 7-8 QH: 11-12+ we are going to either have to move on from some folks or see if we can create value out of trading for bridge deal RFAs or early UFA type players in order to keep the core intact. I’m hoping we don’t overpay for 28 year old + Dmen who will command big $$$ and likely get it from clubs competitive for us for players with their type of services. I think we can find some gems, aside from what mgmt is curating in terms of prospect pool, and I hope we explore that route first and foremost. Edited November 5, 2023 by RWJC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Ah ok. Is he physical? Zub is more like Pionk. He’s just a good player if in the right role. With Hughes and Hronek taking the big minutes Zub would be good in a second pairing role. He’s a solid 200 pounds too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Just now, Alflives said: Zub is more like Pionk. He’s just a good player if in the right role. With Hughes and Hronek taking the big minutes Zub would be good in a second pairing role. He’s a solid 200 pounds too. Well ok then. Zub us up Allvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 I am fairly confident that amongst the struggling teams more than one will look make the “ shake things up” trade and Canucks will be presented opportunities to upgrade. There is lots of dissatisfaction out there right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Screw said: I am fairly confident that amongst the struggling teams more than one will look make the “ shake things up” trade and Canucks will be presented opportunities to upgrade. There is lots of dissatisfaction out there right now. The pissed off teams in the east are PIT, CBJ, def OTT, FLA and TOR is getting there EDM and CGY need a systemic shake up and I doubt they trade with us but a there are some calgary players that would make sense for us price depending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 1:55 PM, RWJC said: I can envision the costs for a proven top 4 RHD, whether by trade or UFA, being exorbitantly high and difficult for us to structure within contract increases and without hurting this team as a whole. Seeing as mgmt been quite good identifying players that they can squeeze value out of against respective cap hit, it wouldn’t surprise me if they have a few targets in mind that are currently younger 4/5/6 Dmen who they believe are ready, or very close, to moving up the depth chart and would have that opportunity here. There is going to be a need longterm to alleviate the salary increases to the core, while also navigating the restriction of the OEL buyout, and as soon as the 2025/26 season we could be looking at a very top heavy $$ club. I imagine mgmt is hoping to slot in some farm players into ELC’s by that time which will help, but it wouldn’t surprise me if we forego any of the big names bandied about right now, and instead make a solid hockey investment into an under exploited Dman whom they think can organically assume the mantle of guys we discuss bringing in eg. Pesce. There are some serious raises coming up with the way certain players are playing. In my estimation and in accordance with salary inflation and max cap increases: EP: 12-13 Hronek: 7.5-9 Demko: 8-9 Kuz: 7-8 QH: 11-12+ we are going to either have to move on from some folks or see if we can create value out of trading for bridge deal RFAs or early UFA type players in order to keep the core intact. I’m hoping we don’t overpay for 28 year old + Dmen who will command big $$$ and likely get it from clubs competitive for us for players with their type of services. I think we can find some gems, aside from what mgmt is curating in terms of prospect pool, and I hope we explore that route first and foremost. Where's Brock on that list? I can see him taking a discount to stay with the core. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 The way we are playing I wouldn't want to add a guy unless there's a trade.Si far Cole and Friedman look like studs.Soucybwnd Myers look good.Plus QH and Hronek are lights out. Why would we screw with that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, cripplereh said: The way we are playing I wouldn't want to add a guy unless there's a trade.Si far Cole and Friedman look like studs.Soucybwnd Myers look good.Plus QH and Hronek are lights out. Why would we screw with that? I'd tend to agree. The defense is humming along very well right now. It would have to be a significant trade that would bring in a top 4 defenseman to mess with this team right now. The chemistry is just right and messing with that could throw things off. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I'd tend to agree. The defense is humming along very well right now. It would have to be a significant trade that would bring in a top 4 defenseman to mess with this team right now. The chemistry is just right and messing with that could throw things off. That’s a talented set of Coaches behind the Canucks bench PB .. I can’t think of many D men that wouldn’t want to be part of the Canucks Defence.. or F it up.. except for Doughty of course , lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, SilentSam said: That’s a talented set of Coaches behind the Canucks bench PB .. I can’t think of many D men that wouldn’t want to be part of the Canucks Defence.. or F it up.. except for Doughty of course , lol True. A great coaching staff (which Vancouver has) goes a long way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 6 hours ago, cripplereh said: Why would we screw with that? To be even better? For a player that's a better long term fit? If you can move Myers and use that cap space to add a younger, legit top 4 RHD that can be part of the team moving forward, via other means... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: To be even better? For a player that's a better long term fit? If you can move Myers and use that cap space to add a younger, legit top 4 RHD that can be part of the team moving forward, via other means... And what younger RHD is up for grabs this offseason for $6 million or less? We won't get Hronek at this rate for $6 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: And what younger RHD is up for grabs this offseason for $6 million or less? We won't get Hronek at this rate for $6 million. No idea. I didn't think we'd get Hronek last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestCanuck Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Signs cheap, more depth better. Teams with deep defense go far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, BestCanuck said: Signs cheap, more depth better. Teams with deep defense go far. Agree i think he’s looking at a prorated < 1 million this year Canucks could offer 2 yrs at low cap hit no thanks to the 2 million range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Canucks should look elsewhere, he'll be hibernating soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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