Breadnbutta Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gurn said: Because the second pair is merely ok, and the third pair is blah. Then you work on fixing it. You don't break something that's working at 110% to fix the 2nd pair. It's insane and I hope/am glad that Tocchet isn't listening to some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Breadnbutta said: It's insane Yah- ok- have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Maybe I'm out of the loop but I've always thought this guy kinda flat out sucks when I've watched him.. so like twice in my life? Nothing player, move on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Jet Woo is a RHD, is a shade taller and a shade heavier, and is 23. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucklifer Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Jet Woo is a RHD, is a shade taller and a shade heavier, and is 23. Plus the coach is calling him their most consistent and reliable D man so far this year. Still holding hope that he can be a good third pairing or dependable player for us. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 54 minutes ago, Gurn said: Because the second pair is merely ok, and the third pair is blah. So you’d rather have all three pairs be merely ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said: So you’d rather have all three pairs be merely ok? If Horonek is good enough to lead the second pair, almost as well as Quinn leads the first pair, it gives the team over 40 minutes of very good d every game. Right now they get 20-24 minutes of great d and about 15 minutes of decent D, then hope for the best. 2 very good pair and one blah pair is to me, a better set up than what they are doing now. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gurn said: If Horonek is good enough to lead the second pair, almost as well as Quinn leads the first pair, it gives the team over 40 minutes of very good d every game. Right now they get 20-24 minutes of great d and about 15 minutes of decent D, then hope for the best. 2 very good pair and one blah pair is to me, a better set up than what they are doing now. I agree with you 100%. I would love to see Hughes and Hronek optimized and leading their own lines. My comment was in regards to spreading the wealth with what we have. I just don’t see our current D corps being able to balance two D lines led by QH or FH without it hindering their abilities overall. I’m on team stack the deck and limit bottom pairing minutes until someone shows they can support either appropriately (and as long as QH and FH can handle it) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, -AJ- said: Claiming him would probably rule out Bear--we're already really tight on cap space. We put wayyy too much stock in Bear, Really whats so great about him?! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Just now, Canuck You said: We put wayyy too much stock in Bear, Really whats so great about him?! It's not so much what's great about him, it's about how much better he'll be than Myers, or, in this case, waiver options. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Just now, -AJ- said: It's not so much what's great about him, it's about how much better he'll be than Myers, or, in this case, waiver options. Over Myers, Yes..I give you that bust jeez this guy had no training and is coming off an injury, Dude shouldn't even be in the discussion.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Canuck You said: Over Myers, Yes..I give you that bust jeez this guy had no training and is coming off an injury, Dude shouldn't even be in the discussion.. Of course not yet, but look at Mikheyev or even Pearson. It's not impossible for guys to start off hot. Besides, usually guys in Bear's situation would be given a conditioning stint in the AHL for 1-3 games to get up to speed. Once he's healed, if he signs for cheap (less than $1.5M) and we can make that cap work, he's a very capable 3RD. Based on how he played last year, he should be an easy upgrade over Myers (at least with how Myers is currently playing) and would make us less terrified to play our pairings other than H2. He struggled a bit as a 2RD, but on the 3rd pairing, he'd be fine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Of course not yet, but look at Mikheyev or even Pearson. It's not impossible for guys to start off hot. Besides, usually guys in Bear's situation would be given a conditioning stint in the AHL for 1-3 games to get up to speed. Once he's healed, if he signs for cheap (less than $1.5M) and we can make that cap work, he's a very capable 3RD. Based on how he played last year, he should be an easy upgrade over Myers (at least with how Myers is currently playing) and would make us less terrified to play our pairings other than H2. He struggled a bit as a 2RD, but on the 3rd pairing, he'd be fine. I would definitely prefer to bring Bear back on a prorated “show me” contract over dealing out forwards (Garland/Beau) for a current NHL dman that has term on their contract. I want to be able to walk from Myers, Beau, and Garland without having to feel it down the road - we have OEL for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Let's claim him!!! a cheaper option than Bear.... so far Mitchell can produce at the NHL level.... he can rotate with Friedman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Gurn said: If Horonek is good enough to lead the second pair, almost as well as Quinn leads the first pair, it gives the team over 40 minutes of very good d every game. Right now they get 20-24 minutes of great d and about 15 minutes of decent D, then hope for the best. 2 very good pair and one blah pair is to me, a better set up than what they are doing now. I'd rather have 27 mins of an elite pair 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Bob Long said: Why is Boston doing this? they don't need the cap space. I'm convinced they're doing this to clear more space for Garland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, -AJ- said: It's not so much what's great about him, it's about how much better he'll be than Myers, or, in this case, waiver options. He will not be much better than Myers, if he is at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 They didnt claim Zach MacEwan which is a bigger, stronger guy we actually need so I dont think we want this little guy. Abby is already overflowing with D prospects who we can try if there is ever room. Ye all wanna put Myers in the press box but he still has the same cap hit there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead44 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Canuck You said: We put wayyy too much stock in Bear, Really whats so great about him?! He is a good dman who is still young, shoots right, and would cost no assets to acquire. He is also versatile - can play up with Quinn Hughes or would compliment Cole or Soucy nicely. Last year when pairings were broken down he even made OEL look decent. Bear’s Performance With Canucks In 61 games with the Canucks, Bear tallied 16 points (3 goals, 13 assists). His offensive stats might not jump out at you, but his main contribution came on the defensive side of the puck. With a 4.7 even-strength defensive goals above replacement, Bear comfortably led all Canucks defensemen, well ahead of Quinn Hughes at 2.9. Bear also had a Corsi-for of 50.48%, good for second among team defensemen and 103rd in the league (minimum 300 TOI). Hughes and Bear were the only defensemen to be above 50% in that category on the roster. Bear also ranked 22nd in the league among defensemen (minimum 300 TOI) in on-ice shot attempts against/60 minutes with 49.75. For one of the worst defensive cores in the NHL, the blame hardly falls on Bear’s shoulders. Edited October 26, 2023 by Canucklehead44 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Im just watching the NJ vs NY game.... Luke and Jack Hughes just set up Taffoli.... Now another hughes set up and NJ is only down one goal. If we are considering trades we need to get a Jack and a Luke when we give up a Taffoli and a Pearson... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 I guess my point is this is a stupid thread and we shouldnt even have 2 pages of discussion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tusk said: I guess my point is this is a stupid thread and we shouldnt even have 2 pages of discussion Really? This craperolla is fun! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Really? This craperolla is fun! Well at least someone is talking about Bear again.... The real problem is how do we make cap space and I am not talking about moving the coffee maker to have room for the cappuccino machine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tusk said: Well at least someone is talking about Bear again.... The real problem is how do we make cap space and I am not talking about moving the coffee maker to have room for the cappuccino machine. There will be at least one owner who (soon) buys a new house. And that new house will have a garden. And that garden will need a gnome. And our gnome is available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: There will be at least one owner who (soon) buys a new house. And that new house will have a garden. And that garden will need a gnome. And our gnome is available. Yeah Hogs is our new gnome, we only have room for one little shiny guy. But hopefully garly takes beau with him... its a gnome with a wheelbarrow deal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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