JIAHN Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, spook007 said: Very true... in OT a third of the players are removed, so it should be a lot easier to keep an eye proceedings... And I am not arguing that Spook....I get that, but, at the end of the day, the ref either thought it was not enough, missed it, or it evened something else........... Game management is a real thing....... Edited October 29, 2023 by JIAHN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 All you have to do is ask - If that was Connor McDavid who got tripped, would it be a penalty? There's your answer. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, stawns said: Have you ever officiated a hockey game? So we can't challenge something unless we've reffed an NHL game? Have you? I know an NHL ref and they're not above scrutiny. No matter how tough the job is, the expectation is that you do it well. I'm not sure it's being done well overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I know Ferraro gets flak at times. But he had a great idea on refs and the rulebook. He said before the season starts. Get two reps from each team. And all the linesmen and refs together. And go through the rule book. If there's rules are clear, you don't review them. But the ones everyone has issues with. Discuss them. That way before the season starts they can get everyone on the same page. On what is and isn't a penalty. It's not going to stop missed calls. But at least it should provide the players and refs consistency on what the rules are. Right on. And they should all have to pass a final exam too. SUPER DOUBLE SECRET PROFESSIONAL PROBATIONAL REFEREE FINAL EXAMINATION Your name:_________________________________ Q: Is Ron MacLean a professional referee instructor who plays a great air guitar? Your A:___________________ Q: Do you like Ron MacLean? Your A:___________________ Q: Does Ron MacLean speak for everybody when he corrects on-the-ice Burrows about what the on-the-ice referee said? Your A:___________________ Q: Is there a tape recording of the on-the-ice referee warning on-the-ice Burrows that he was going to get him? Your A:___________________ Q: Is Ron MacLean your instructor for this course? Your A:___________________ Q: Does this gown make me Ron MacLean look fat? Your A:___________________ Good Luck. No cheating. I'll be watching you or your .. And remember, I can hear things that were not said and not hear things that were. Because I am a professional referee. Enter Ronzo's thought balloon comments here:_____________________________________________ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Bear Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, JayDangles said: OK fair. I get it. But what good reason is there not to review an infraction that was clearly missed that resulted in a a game ending goal in OT? I'm all for changing nothing at all during the 60 minutes. Only in OT and only if the game ends immediately after. OT reviews certainly wouldn’t call the entire game of hockey into question for those 60 minutes of regulation. It adds one (very infrequent) play to be eligible for reviews. Just can’t see the logic in that argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe King Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 All in all it was a very good game last night. Really enjoyed it. It's really good to see so many fans rally around this team about the so so officiating. It shows how much we love our team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DSVII Posted October 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2023 Refs are going out of their way to screw us.....we're good again!!! 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIAHN Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) @-dlc- I am not saying the non call is justified............just that there are human factors involved That world best Ref, is just that......"World Best" Maybe Pettersson falls to much..................bias is a real thing! But you are right..............I should watch the play But I would still not know what was going through the refs mind..............maybe absolutely nothing Maybe the call from his wife, asking for him to bring home eggs, when he comes! Edited October 29, 2023 by JIAHN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, JIAHN said: But I would still not know what was going through the refs mind..............maybe absolutely nothing We shouldn't have to care though...that's for psychologists. I just want them to focus and it's their eyes that should be making the calls. Use their minds once the play's whistled down and they can confer with others. Don't just let it go because "the game's too fast" to keep up with. Anyhow, too much time spent on something that can't be changed. I'm proud of how the team battled through it, despite the refs helping decide the outcome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Man Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: All you have to do is ask - If that was Connor McDavid who got tripped, would it be a penalty? There's your answer. This. This is a key 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, Huggy Bear said: They review non-calls on offsides that overturn goals. How would this be different? The offside is objective. You can review the film to determine if it was offside or not. They have even better technology for this in soccer. With a penalty, it is subjective. Who is going to determine if it was an actual penalty or not? Toronto? What if the ref sees the play over again and says the player didn't stick out his leg on purpose. So it wasn't a trip on Petey. At the end of the day, there are penalties probably every minute of the game in hockey. In the NFL, you can call holding on every play. Not even in the NFL can a coach challenge a non-call penalty for holding or interference. It's too subjective... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Maybe it is time to add a ref in the sky that can clearly see egregious missed calls that ref defenders say the refs can't see cause the game is too fast. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Also, all this talk of the refs having it tough, too much to watch, play moves fast. Their eyes should be on the guy with the puck and, in 3 on 3 OT, it's a bit easier as there's not so many bodies out there. It's not like this happened away from the play...it WAS the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 hours ago, -dlc- said: Yep, it's the way it has to be. Suck it up and work through it as best you can. Prepare for it. Expect the worst and be happy if you get something better. Which isn't really ideal or satisfactory. There's only SO much control the refs can have over a game...and this team is learning to play beyond the shitty calls and non calls. That's the key here...the refs get to slink away and that's not changing. I'm super happy with this team and how they're responding to the gong show. Tocchet is right on with this. We have to establish a good professional relationship with the referees and the league. JR is leading the way to a future where we have some power at the Board of Governors, with Bettman et al, and where we get respect and start getting at least a fair share of the benefits. No wallowing in the (rotten) past. To the future! All aboard? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Goal_thecup said: Tocchet is right on with this. We have to establish a good professional relationship with the referees and the league. JR is leading the way to a future where we have some power at the Board of Governors, with Bettman et al, and where we get respect and start getting at least a fair share of the benefits. No wallowing in the (rotten) past. To the future! All aboard? It's just sad that you have to play this game. Ass kissing stuff...I don't like it. It should be based on the play on the ice, not on who's "in" with the refs/league. That ol' boys club stuff that dinosaurs ruled the earth with. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 28 minutes ago, JIAHN said: And I am not arguing that Spook....I get that, but, at the end of the day, the ref either thought it was not enough, missed it, or it evened something else........... Game management is a real thing....... My guess is they thought it wasn't enough. However, in a game that they thought issuing two 5 on 3 pp's was warranted, they really were setting a tone there. Then...crickets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 LOL on a lighter note, when this was going down last night and I was super frustrated after the game, I found myself singing this. (I love Torts) 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIAHN Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, -dlc- said: My guess is they thought it wasn't enough. However, in a game that they thought issuing two 5 on 3 pp's was warranted, they really were setting a tone there. Then...crickets. Frustrating for sure.....sorry I missed the game! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, TheGuardian said: See this is an issue, I see Pettersson trying to do a fancy between the legs pass splitting his legs apart INTO Krieder's path. EP's leg moved more towards Krieder than Krieder's moved towards him. With AI tho you would be able to build an accurate model over time. Or if some plays are just too hard to model, that's where human ref's come in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I was just looking at the box score again. The thing about last night was that we were really overcoming the reffing - I mean, working harder despite the refs. Just look at Myers short-handed goal, then the penalties came, and then Soucy put us back in it. We were clawing back despite the refs and that's what it needs to be ... unfortunately. We have to take the refs out with our play. We've all experienced this before. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Ballisticsports said: Unfortunately BB never goes in to aid his teammates and that part of his game bugs me the most, those are the guys who set him up Needs passion, desire and caring for his teammates more than just goals to elevate the team- you can't carry too many of these types of players on your team Why does this smell a bit like Da Beauty League? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIAHN Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, -dlc- said: LOL on a lighter note, when this was going down last night and I was super frustrated after the game, I found myself singing this. (I love Torts) Never seen that before, Deb, Thank you! Pretty funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Was proud of the push back last night and 3/4 possible points on back to backs against a tough NYR team. Boys looking solid this yr never gave up. Feel good about the next 2 games with Nashville and San Jose. This team is just different Def a playoff team this yr. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, JIAHN said: And I am not arguing that Spook....I get that, but, at the end of the day, the ref either thought it was not enough, missed it, or it evened something else........... Game management is a real thing....... Very true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, -dlc- said: It's just sad that you have to play this game. Ass kissing stuff...I don't like it. It should be based on the play on the ice, not on who's "in" with the refs/league. That ol' boys club stuff that dinosaurs ruled the earth with. Yeah. I tire of fighting the power. I want to be the power. I want our team to get the breaks and Win The Stanley Cup! (I can hear my mom, who's still yell'n' at the refs at 94 years old: "I want never gets.") Edited October 29, 2023 by Goal_thecup Clarification between 1994 and 94 years old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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