Alflives Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: i couldnt hide my anger during the draft ive loved what jr/pa have done but this is the one decision i see as unforgiveable bensons gonna be an elite 1st liner and we'll watch wondering what could have been Benson is a Smurf who skates slow. Those guys end up being elite AHL first liners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: i couldnt hide my anger during the draft ive loved what jr/pa have done but this is the one decision i see as unforgiveable bensons gonna be an elite 1st liner and we'll watch wondering what could have been As fans we can get overly attached to players. I've had 3 draft white whales, players I really really wanted the Canucks to get (within reason everyone wanted Bedard). They were Mortiz Sieder, Dylan Guenther, and Zach Benson. I made a lucky guess with Moritz based off some video and a hunch, and over the year he kept getting better. I thought it would be a huge reach, but wanted the Bucks to take him. Never even got to us. Guenther is the should have been. I checked out 100% on Benning the day he traded that pick. And the most recent was Benson. We desperately needed D, but how did we pass up on Vancouver's own Zach Benson. Every shit talked his size, but that kid doesn't play small. He works his ass off and has all the talent in the world. Can't win em all. I also wanted Glass and Dobson (even though he turned out good as well) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeeeeeergh Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, stawns said: Vancouver has no shortage of those My view is Benson will probably be the better player, and I don’t think it will be close at all. Even if we have a surplus, benson at what I think he will be would have far more trade value than what I believe would be required to acquire a willander but I guess we will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I’m very happy with a Willander… now. Initially, I had a wave of OJ ptsd. I would have been happy with Benson then and still would be now. All world skill packaged with a cotton candy slinging carny from Chilliwack yeoman work ethic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: My view is Benson will probably be the better player, and I don’t think it will be close at all. Even if we have a surplus, benson at what I think he will be would have far more trade value than what I believe would be required to acquire a willander but I guess we will see obviously they think that Willander will be an elite dman, as he was clearly their guy right from the first interview they had with him 1 minute ago, GrammaInTheTub said: I’m very happy with a Willander… now. Initially, I had a wave of OJ ptsd. I would have been happy with Benson then and still would be now. All world skill packaged with a cotton candy slinging carny from Chilliwack yeoman work ethic. hopefully he doesn't have the same injury issues that derailed OJ's career 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeeeeeergh Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, stawns said: obviously they think that Willander will be an elite dman, as he was clearly their guy right from the first interview they had with him i hope so, being wrong on this would make me incredibly happy ill go ahead and shame myself publicly if we get a #1 D-man out of willander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeeeeeergh Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, Alflives said: Benson is a Smurf who skates slow. Those guys end up being elite AHL first liners. skating is the easiest trait to improve, elite skill/iq you either have or dont the fact that he is so small and not fleet of foot yet has shown so well in the NHL already says it all a couple years more of weight along with adding half a step to his game and he'll be a force to be reckoned with like it or not this is now a game for smurfs benson is brayden point imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: My view is Benson will probably be the better player, and I don’t think it will be close at all. Even if we have a surplus, benson at what I think he will be would have far more trade value than what I believe would be required to acquire a willander but I guess we will see Even if WIllander is "only" a 2nd pair, 2 way RD, he'll likely have just as much trade value as a really good 1st line W'er, simply due to supply and demand. I'd have been happy to have either, as I had both in the same tier of potential draftees. But Willander suits organizational needs far better all while having very similar worth/value (even if vastly different skill sets, tools, positions etc). Either way, like you said, we'll see Edited October 16, 2023 by aGENT 4 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bob Long Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Alflives said: Benson is a Smurf who skates slow. Those guys end up being elite AHL first liners. I don't give two hot poops about Benson. We've always needed to draft a 1rhd. Willander has a chance to be that. Edited October 16, 2023 by Bob Long 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 What's the timeline for Willander, 2-3 years? maybe eventually? Hughes - Willander Pettersson - Hronek Soucy - Brzustewicz Hirose - McWard Celebrini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Bear Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: What's the timeline for Willander, 2-3 years? maybe eventually? Hughes - Willander Pettersson - Hronek Soucy - Brzustewicz Hirose - McWard Celebrini The BU coach thought they’d have Willander for 2 seasons. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gawdzukes Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 11:04 AM, TheWhiskeyPickle said: I was unsure on Willander but he is starting to grow on me. But this is a silly way to compare the two players. Willander - 9 letters long Benson - 6 letters long Willander - 6'2" Benson - 5'10" Willander - likes dogs Benson - likes cats Willander - Aquarius Benson - Taurus Willander - donates time to cancer society Benson - pushes old ladies out of the way in grocery store line It's pretty clear Willander is the better choice 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma-Kazi44 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 32 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Willander - 9 letters long Benson - 6 letters long Willander - 6'2" Benson - 5'10" Willander - likes dogs Benson - likes cats Willander - Aquarius Benson - Taurus Willander - donates time to cancer society Benson - pushes old ladies out of the way in grocery store line It's pretty clear Willander is the better choice This sounds like an add for a federal election. Lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sashimi Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Benson is a Smurf who skates slow. Those guys end up being elite AHL first liners. Elite AHL first liners don't crack a good NHL lineup at 18 years old at put up two points in their first two games. Benson is a stud. Having said that I'm still happy with the Willander pick. It's definitely more of a long play but if he hits to his potential (which I think he will or at least be close) the Canucks will have a good one. Given organizational need and the absolute premium value of right handed defenseman I still think Willander was a great pick. He'll obviously never put up as many points or be as exciting as Benson but he could be just as integral to a championship team. Benson tops at as first line winger with 100 point potential imo. Willander tops out as two-way RHD puck moving beast that can log 25+ minutes a night and contribute in all three zones. These are roughly equally valuable pieces imo. It will be tough watching Benson rip it up for the next two or three years before Willander even steps foot in the league. But in the long run, I believe patience will pay off. Also I really don't want to spend too much time comparing the two. Their both great players. I'm happy the Canucks have Willander. I'm happy to see a local kid (not named Bedard) having success in the NHL at 18. The Lower Mainland is an absolute hotbed these days, my god. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, sashimi said: Elite AHL first liners don't crack a good NHL lineup at 18 years old at put up two points in their first two games. Benson is a stud. Having said that I'm still happy with the Willander pick. It's definitely more of a long play but if he hits to his potential (which I think he will or at least be close) the Canucks will have a good one. Given organizational need and the absolute premium value of right handed defenseman I still think Willander was a great pick. He'll obviously never put up as many points or be as exciting as Benson but he could be just as integral to a championship team. Benson tops at as first line winger with 100 point potential imo. Willander tops out as two-way RHD puck moving beast that can log 25+ minutes a night and contribute in all three zones. These are roughly equally valuable pieces imo. It will be tough watching Benson rip it up for the next two or three years before Willander even steps foot in the league. But in the long run, I believe patience will pay off. Also I really don't want to spend too much time comparing the two. Their both great players. I'm happy the Canucks have Willander. I'm happy to see a local kid (not named Bedard) having success in the NHL at 18. The Lower Mainland is an absolute hotbed these days, my god. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksRuleYou Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 People need to shut the fuck up about Benson. We picked Willander. Stop acting like you know Benson will be some elite player. You don't know. You are just guessing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, aGENT said: Even if WIllander is "only" a 2nd pair, 2 way RD, he'll likely have just as much trade value as a really good 1st line W'er, simply due to supply and demand. I'd have been happy to have either... 5 hours ago, Huggy Bear said: The BU coach thought they’d have Willander for 2 seasons. I think @aGENT is right about trade values. Part of it is supply and demand. Another factor is that a good 2nd pair RD typically plays more minutes than a good 1st line winger. The two-year time horizon would be the natural expectation for a #11 pick picked in a good draft year, although it could easily turn out to be just one year or even three years. As for Benson vs. Willander, I personally was surprised that Benson was there at 11 and I would have taken him. But Willander is a very good pick as well and I am happy with the pick and I would guess they have similar value in the trade market right now, although maybe Willander would be slightly favored. And, with typical "endowment effect" bias, I now like Willander better. I like Willander much better than I liked Juolevi, not just relative to where they were picked, but in absolute terms. One problem with Juolevi that bothered me from the beginning was that he did not have a "separating skill". He was on a great junior team and a great WJC team and that made him look (to Benning) like he was better than he really was. Willander's skating is a separating skill and he is strong in other dimensions as well. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 6:54 PM, Elias Pettersson said: Tom Willander looks like a young Cale Makar. Only bigger. Oh my… Cup here we come.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just a friendly reminder that both can be true: Benson and Willander are both good players and hope both have great careers. Dont need to put down either in order to justify who got picked where. I would have been happy if we picked either. Very glad Willander and Benson are sicceeding, having our own pick start with a bang and a BC boy thriving in the NHL. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Just a friendly reminder that both can be true: Benson and Willander are both good players and hope both have great careers. Dont need to put down either in order to justify who got picked where. I would have been happy if we picked either. Very glad Willander and Benson are sicceeding, having our own pick start with a bang and a BC boy thriving in the NHL. I agree. Regardless of if Benson turns out to be an 80-90 point player, you can still win the draft by selecting the next Cale Makar... I mean, Colorado chose Makar over Petey. Is either team complaining about that? Edited October 16, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: i hope so, being wrong on this would make me incredibly happy ill go ahead and shame myself publicly if we get a #1 D-man out of willander I have a good feeling about Willander. His skating is elite, like Cale Makar level. He may never be the point producer like Makar, but he is much bigger than Makar and could be an all around top pairing Dman. I'll take a top pairing RHDman over pretty much any other player other than maybe a franchise centre. Benson is a winger. So, a top pairing RHDman will always trump a top line winger... Edited October 16, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 14 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said: https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=240680 I'm fine with him, still wasn't my BPA available though. Would have far rather gone with the offensive dynamo from Vancouver. Top pairing RHDman > top line winger any day of the week and twice on Sundays. A franchise centre and top pairing RHDman is what you build your team around and need to be drafted as they are never available. Everyone else can be acquired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spook007 Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 Willander (if he continues developing into a top RHD) fills a organisational need far more than Benson would... Its not even debateable... Ever since 2011 (and probably prior to that as well), there has been the usual talk about the total lack of Dmen (RHD in particular) in the system, and the only way to obtain them, without selling everything, is by drafting them. Problem is, there rarely have been a quality RHD available, where we pick... We simply needed Willander more than Benson. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Curmudgeon Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, spook007 said: We simply needed Willander more than Benson. 100% right. Now they have to be patient and let him get stronger and get more experience playing against men. As much as I'd like to see him in Vancouver, he should probably do two seasons at Boston. No need to throw a 19 year-old defenceman into the deep end of the pool just yet. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 4:49 AM, 27 Percent said: Why does your font looks like it drinks pumpkin spice lattes? Looks more like a kid sitting in a pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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