Popular Post Jess Posted March 21 Popular Post Share Posted March 21 Damnit guys, you got this thread trending and I thought something interesting was happening with Lekkerimaki. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Hammertime said: OEL is 3rd in mins for FLA and has roughly the same production as Cole Sousy Zadorov combined You obviously don’t watch Florida. OEL is on their 3rd pairing when the defence is fully healthy. And plays less than 15 minutes a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: You obviously don’t watch Florida. OEL is on their 3rd pairing when the defence is fully healthy. And plays less than 15 minutes a night. But to his credit, the Panthers blueline has been unhealthy all year long, and OEL has slotted in admirably. He's playing top pairing minutes with Montour right now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 39 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Why re sign Kuz then? Because you don’t let a goals scorer like that go without knowing what you got. They didn’t know that he couldn’t adjust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 35 minutes ago, Gurn said: Isn't that exactly what new management is doing now? This year, or maybe the next season, but now the 2 seasons after that are screwed. People really seem to have trouble with the fact that players don't fully recover from some injuries, for a long time. Just a few examples Bieksa took at least a year to heal from that skate cut. Mikheyev is only now rounding into form, after leg surgery. OEL - broken foot, no off season training. - just missing a training camp- for what ever reason, messes a lot of players up for months. Yeah, haha pretty much. You're absolutely right. However, they got thrown in into this mess and this group has shown to be way smarter in so many avenues. At least they are addressing the necessary areas, making short term deals, and not just throwing cap away like JB. I agree I don't know what they're going to do though in 25-26 and 26-27. First of all hope like hell the cap goes up ($92 mil by 25-26), second Lekkerimaki, and Willander show up right on cue, and thirdly lean on their pro scouting. The thing is we're so used to the braindead thinking of the past that it seems worse than it is. With some maneuvering and possibly burning some assets it is possible for normal GM's to get around one or two errors. Imo we have always been waiting for the Myers penalty to end as well. Next year will be the first year the cap is all their doing and we'll see how they manage it. I have faith. They just need to continue making smart moves, but next year will be incredibly tough as well. I can't remember if it was you or @Coconuts talking about draft picks the other day but I also dream about a day where we actually build through the draft before pushing all of our cap space and assets into the pile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted March 21 Popular Post Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah, haha pretty much. You're absolutely right. However, they got thrown in into this mess and this group has shown to be way smarter in so many avenues. At least they are addressing the necessary areas, making short term deals, and not just throwing cap away like JB. I agree I don't know what they're going to do though in 25-26 and 26-27. First of all hope like hell the cap goes up ($92 mil by 25-26), second Lekkerimaki, and Willander show up right on cue, and thirdly lean on their pro scouting. The thing is we're so used to the braindead thinking of the past that it seems worse than it is. With some maneuvering and possibly burning some assets it is possible for normal GM's to get around one or two errors. Imo we have always been waiting for the Myers penalty to end as well. Next year will be the first year the cap is all their doing and we'll see how they manage it. I have faith. They just need to continue making smart moves, but next year will be incredibly tough as well. I can't remember if it was you or @Coconuts talking about draft picks the other day but I also dream about a day where we actually build through the draft before pushing all of our cap space and assets into the pile. Probably me, the Canucks historical approach to utilizing top picks has been a bee in my bonnet for years Not sure where I stand with this management regarding picks, they made some good picks in Willander and Lekkerimaki, even held on to them at the deadline, but the Hronek trade has turned out well too But on the other hand they frequently move out low picks, painted themselves into a corner with Dickinson and cost themselves a second, and the Lindholm trade return has been underwhelming thus far Every trade ain't gonna be a win so I'm trying to cut them some slack with Lindholm, but the early returns don't look great Two 1sts spent, two 1sts used, although the context is that one of those was part of the Horvat return I'm just really, really hoping that management makes a habit of using their 1sts more than they trade them, and stops frittering away our 2nd rounders This will be the third year in a row we haven't drafted a player in the 2nd round unless we somehow add one at the draft, the continued pattern is really annoying 1 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 21 Popular Post Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Miss Korea said: But to his credit, the Panthers blueline has been unhealthy all year long, and OEL has slotted in admirably. He's playing top pairing minutes with Montour right now. OEL at $2.25 million would have been totally fine to have him playing up and down the lineup. Good insurance if Hughes goes down, similar to Florida where OEL replaces Ekblad on the top pairing when he is injured. OEL at $7.2 million is a totally different situation. That's the issue. No way we could have had OEL on the roster for 4 more years at $7.2 million... 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BC_Hawk Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Rip The Mesh said: Be interesting if he gets a couple nhl games on his stay OR all will be AHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 6 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said: Be interesting if he gets a couple nhl games on his stay OR all will be AHL Doesn’t sound like either if he makes the world championship team (which he likely will). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 22 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: OEL at $2.25 million would have been totally fine to have him playing up and down the lineup. Good insurance if Hughes goes down, similar to Florida where OEL replaces Ekblad on the top pairing when he is injured. OEL at $7.2 million is a totally different situation. That's the issue. No way we could have had OEL on the roster for 4 more years at $7.2 million... considerjng we will have his buyout penalty AND his replacements cap hit…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchesMalone Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: considerjng we will have his buyout penalty AND his replacements cap hit…… Which is only of major consequence for '26 and '27. Not trying to take any sides here (not really sure what's at issue or what the sides are), but looking at it objectively, the main thing (the only thing?) we can deduce from the buyout is that this management group wanted to compete in the short-term. If they had waited a couple years they could have traded the contract with a sweetener attached, but with that term left a buyout was the only option, unless they had just kept him and leaned into the rebuild. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 By Dave Hall It appears that the mystery surrounding Vancouver Canucks prospect Jonathan Lekkerimäki’s immediate future has finally been resolved. Since his team was eliminated from playoff contention on Monday, it’s been a “wait and see” period as we anticipated his next move. On Friday morning, Rick Dhaliwal of Donnie and Dhali — The Team reported that Lekkerimäki will leave Sweden and head to Vancouver. Let’s not get too excited, however. The trip is expected to be brief, lasting only 10 days before he returns to Sweden for the World Championships. While there’s a possibility he could sneak in a game or two, it’s more likely that this trip is simply for a visit, which is perfectly fine. This short and sweet visit will offer him the opportunity to experience the atmosphere of his future home and immerse himself in a playoff-bound environment. There is an opportunity to participate in a few practices to learn the new systems and work hand-in-hand with coaches like Daniel and Henrik Sedin. Unfortunately, the timing isn’t ideal for his likely destination, as the Abbotsford Canucks are currently on an extended road trip that won’t see them return home until the end of March. Their final road game is scheduled for Saturday, March 30th. Nevertheless, it’s a positive move to make the trip and adjust to the speed before taking on the world’s best at the WC in May. The 19-year-old is coming off a stellar SHL season, in which his 19 goals ranked fourth league-wide and his 31 points led all U23 players. After contributing a primary assist that led to a victory in game one, Örebro failed to score over their next two matches, eliminating them from the best-of-three playoff series. Lekkerimäki is anticipated to make a permanent move next year and is expected to compete for a roster spot out of camp in Vancouver. With that said, the new Canucks regime has shown a commitment to its developmental plan, showing a willingness to follow the proper steps on the developmental ladder. Considering this, a stint in Abbotsford, whether it’s long or short-term, appears to be the likely starting point. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, AnthonyG said: considerjng we will have his buyout penalty AND his replacements cap hit…… If he’s on our 3rd pairing then his replacement is a 3rd pairing guy. Also, just like Kuzmenko, OEL isn’t a fit with Tocchet. Tocchet likes guys on the blue line who are big and nasty. Like Myers, Zadorov and Soucy who are 6’6” monsters. Even Cole and Juulsen are beefy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If he’s on our 3rd pairing then his replacement is a 3rd pairing guy. Also, just like Kuzmenko, OEL isn’t a fit with Tocchet. Tocchet likes guys on the blue line who are big and nasty. Like Myers, Zadorov and Soucy who are 6’6” monsters. Even Cole and Juulsen are beefy. Why are you still here arguing about OEL in the Lex thread for days on end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 45 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If he’s on our 3rd pairing then his replacement is a 3rd pairing guy. Also, just like Kuzmenko, OEL isn’t a fit with Tocchet. Tocchet likes guys on the blue line who are big and nasty. Like Myers, Zadorov and Soucy who are 6’6” monsters. Even Cole and Juulsen are beefy. “If” its not an if. He was a 2nd pairing guy and able to step in as #1 if and when Hughes was out. To say OEL wasnt a fit with Tocchet, is a blind statement, considering he spent 4 seasons under Tocchet as head coach in Arizona. Hronek isnt a “fit” with Tocchet by that statement and the fact of the matter is OEL was there prior to Tocchet and Hronek was a late season addition AFTER Tocchet was hired. So you cant accurately say who fits and who doesnt fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 hours ago, AnthonyG said: “If” its not an if. He was a 2nd pairing guy and able to step in as #1 if and when Hughes was out. To say OEL wasnt a fit with Tocchet, is a blind statement, considering he spent 4 seasons under Tocchet as head coach in Arizona. Hronek isnt a “fit” with Tocchet by that statement and the fact of the matter is OEL was there prior to Tocchet and Hronek was a late season addition AFTER Tocchet was hired. So you cant accurately say who fits and who doesnt fit. If Tocchet really wanted him on the team and he was going to be deployed as a 2nd pairing dman then they wouldn't have bought him out. Tocchet didn't want Kuzmenko either and they shipped him out too. Not sure what is complicated to understand about that. Tocchet had no pull in Arizona. They were a crappy team and there was no way they were ever going to buy him out. Instead, they found a GM who literally took most of OEL's cap from them and threw in a 1st and 2nd round pick to boot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: If Tocchet really wanted him on the team and he was going to be deployed as a 2nd pairing dman then they wouldn't have bought him out. Tocchet didn't want Kuzmenko either and they shipped him out too. Not sure what is complicated to understand about that. Tocchet had no pull in Arizona. They were a crappy team and there was no way they were ever going to buy him out. Instead, they found a GM who literally took most of OEL's cap from them and threw in a 1st and 2nd round pick to boot... So you mean to tell me Tocchet is the GM , the coach, the president AND the owner here in Vancouver? You mean to tell me he has so much pull in this organization that he can walk up and tell Aquaweenie to get stuffed and tell JR and PA to spend Aqualini’s money and buy out OEL. ya O.K. Bud. Your statement makes zero sense. OEL doesnt fit based on his size, yet they go and bring in Hronek whos smaller. And they bought out OEL because Tocchet said so and they brought in a smaller dman because he fits what Tocchet likes, big, strong, “monsters” Arizona was in need of buying out OEL. The guy has had Norris recognition half his career. Right now OEL was not the issue there or here. Garland has been a great acquisition out of that cap dump and playing an instrumental role in us being labeled a legitimate contender. He has breathed life into that 3rd line and is what makes us so much harder to play against because we have a 40-50pt player on the 3rd line. OEL was not an anchor, his play wasnt an anchor and neither was his cap hit. This management group made an impulsive decision to buy him out and slot Hronek in and then sign some UFAs to make up for it all. They’ve now put themselves in a bind with a buyout penalty as this teams window of contention opened and we’ll be saddled with 4+mil of dead cap for 2 years in the peak prime years of Pettersson and Hughes. i preached for a couple seasons now, how close this team was to competing and that we werent that far from contending. No one wanted to listen, everyone thought I was crazy, but that 2021-22 season told me everything I needed to know. That when our stars are all playing at the top of their level at the same time, we can beat anyone and win a series against any team. Problem was for a couple seasons not everyone played great. YOU yourself had a horrendous 2021-22 season the amount of games held pointless in the first 45 games was worthy of a buyout if that was going to be the trend. Then Demko last year and him going down. It took the wind out of our sails. Spencer Martin was the reason we missed playoffs last year. Pettersson was the reason the season prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 36 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: So you mean to tell me Tocchet is the GM , the coach, the president AND the owner here in Vancouver? You mean to tell me he has so much pull in this organization that he can walk up and tell Aquaweenie to get stuffed and tell JR and PA to spend Aqualini’s money and buy out OEL. ya O.K. Bud. Your statement makes zero sense. OEL doesnt fit based on his size, yet they go and bring in Hronek whos smaller. And they bought out OEL because Tocchet said so and they brought in a smaller dman because he fits what Tocchet likes, big, strong, “monsters” Arizona was in need of buying out OEL. The guy has had Norris recognition half his career. Right now OEL was not the issue there or here. Garland has been a great acquisition out of that cap dump and playing an instrumental role in us being labeled a legitimate contender. He has breathed life into that 3rd line and is what makes us so much harder to play against because we have a 40-50pt player on the 3rd line. OEL was not an anchor, his play wasnt an anchor and neither was his cap hit. This management group made an impulsive decision to buy him out and slot Hronek in and then sign some UFAs to make up for it all. They’ve now put themselves in a bind with a buyout penalty as this teams window of contention opened and we’ll be saddled with 4+mil of dead cap for 2 years in the peak prime years of Pettersson and Hughes. i preached for a couple seasons now, how close this team was to competing and that we werent that far from contending. No one wanted to listen, everyone thought I was crazy, but that 2021-22 season told me everything I needed to know. That when our stars are all playing at the top of their level at the same time, we can beat anyone and win a series against any team. Problem was for a couple seasons not everyone played great. YOU yourself had a horrendous 2021-22 season the amount of games held pointless in the first 45 games was worthy of a buyout if that was going to be the trend. Then Demko last year and him going down. It took the wind out of our sails. Spencer Martin was the reason we missed playoffs last year. Pettersson was the reason the season prior. We traded for Hronek because he is a right shot and can play with Hughes. Obviously that has worked out really well. OEL couldn't play with Hughes. But you already know this so why even bring it up? Yes, Allvin asks Tocchet what he needs. Tocchet even admitted this in an interview, that he is consulted on trades and free agent acquisitions. Why would they not consult Tocchet when he is the one who is literally installing the system they are playing now and he needs certain guys to play within that system? Tocchet has said several times that he likes big bruising defencemen. He said the Vegas defence is what he wants to emulate. Nice try trying to disprove this by bringing up Hronek. He obviously needed another PMDman and a guy who can log 23+ minutes and play with Hughes. Other than Hronek, every other Dman is big and strong, the opposite of OEL. If you think that OEL's $7.2 million cap hit wasn't an anchor then you are in the extreme minority Anthony. Like you might be the only person in Vancouver who thinks this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy animal Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 15 hours ago, MatchesMalone said: Which is only of major consequence for '26 and '27. Not trying to take any sides here (not really sure what's at issue or what the sides are), but looking at it objectively, the main thing (the only thing?) we can deduce from the buyout is that this management group wanted to compete in the short-term. If they had waited a couple years they could have traded the contract with a sweetener attached, but with that term left a buyout was the only option, unless they had just kept him and leaned into the rebuild. AnnoyingG-oof is the Queen of the Benning fan club, so you can throw any objective opinions from him out the door 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy animal Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: We traded for Hronek because he is a right shot and can play with Hughes. Obviously that has worked out really well. OEL couldn't play with Hughes. But you already know this so why even bring it up? Yes, Allvin asks Tocchet what he needs. Tocchet even admitted this in an interview, that he is consulted on trades and free agent acquisitions. Why would they not consult Tocchet when he is the one who is literally installing the system they are playing now and he needs certain guys to play within that system? Tocchet has said several times that he likes big bruising defencemen. He said the Vegas defence is what he wants to emulate. Nice try trying to disprove this by bringing up Hronek. He obviously needed another PMDman and a guy who can log 23+ minutes and play with Hughes. Other than Hronek, every other Dman is big and strong, the opposite of OEL. If you think that OEL's $7.2 million cap hit wasn't an anchor then you are in the extreme minority Anthony. Like you might be the only person in Vancouver who thinks this. Seriously EP, debating with a delusional Benning fanboy of AnnoyingG-oofs level is a waste of time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 6 hours ago, AnthonyG said: So you mean to tell me Tocchet is the GM , the coach, the president AND the owner here in Vancouver? You mean to tell me he has so much pull in this organization that he can walk up and tell Aquaweenie to get stuffed and tell JR and PA to spend Aqualini’s money and buy out OEL. ya O.K. Bud. Your statement makes zero sense. OEL doesnt fit based on his size, yet they go and bring in Hronek whos smaller. And they bought out OEL because Tocchet said so and they brought in a smaller dman because he fits what Tocchet likes, big, strong, “monsters” Arizona was in need of buying out OEL. The guy has had Norris recognition half his career. Right now OEL was not the issue there or here. Garland has been a great acquisition out of that cap dump and playing an instrumental role in us being labeled a legitimate contender. He has breathed life into that 3rd line and is what makes us so much harder to play against because we have a 40-50pt player on the 3rd line. OEL was not an anchor, his play wasnt an anchor and neither was his cap hit. This management group made an impulsive decision to buy him out and slot Hronek in and then sign some UFAs to make up for it all. They’ve now put themselves in a bind with a buyout penalty as this teams window of contention opened and we’ll be saddled with 4+mil of dead cap for 2 years in the peak prime years of Pettersson and Hughes. i preached for a couple seasons now, how close this team was to competing and that we werent that far from contending. No one wanted to listen, everyone thought I was crazy, but that 2021-22 season told me everything I needed to know. That when our stars are all playing at the top of their level at the same time, we can beat anyone and win a series against any team. Problem was for a couple seasons not everyone played great. YOU yourself had a horrendous 2021-22 season the amount of games held pointless in the first 45 games was worthy of a buyout if that was going to be the trend. Then Demko last year and him going down. It took the wind out of our sails. Spencer Martin was the reason we missed playoffs last year. Pettersson was the reason the season prior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Anyways… …I like Lekkerimäki. Good pick! 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Herberts Vasiljevs Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 So does this mean he's officially joining Abby and won't be representing Sweden at the World's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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