Jonathan Lekkerimäki | RW

[AnthonyG]

25 minutes ago, The Duke said:

The one area Benning left us in a good position was his core that you mentioned.   With Boeser “back” the drafting flips back to a positive despite Virtanen / Juolevi, imo. 
 

Other poster also mentioning McWard and Hirose as if Stecher/Hutton are still a hopeful outcome for their careers.  
 

Anyways, I love what new management has done so far but for all his missteps, Benning had some flat out grand slams drafting Petey, Hughes and Demko while trading for Miller.

 

Boeser is a tier or two lower, but another big win. And the jury is still out on Hoglander, Podkolzin and Silovs (despite his slow start.)

 

Lekkerimaki at 15 OA looks like a solid pick after his start to this season - but until he’s in the NHL making something happen it’s all just opinion.

100% and I’m very pleased with what this current management group has done to add to this roster.

Benning was here to build and that was it, playoffs were only a bonus if it were possible. Which is why he did get extended… twice. Which if it wasnt for our star players aside from Demko, Hughes and Miller, massively under performing (BB6 understandably so) we would have been a playoff team in 2021-22. 2022-23 was pretty much all goaltending that let us down. I’d say Benning might have been let go last season, not the season prior if our star players performed from day 1.

The way I see it is Benning was here to do the grunt work, the Burke/early Nonis years… He built a very promising core very quickly and it just needed time to go through some growing pains, just like Colorado did with Landeskog and Mackinnon.

I view this regime as the Gillis era. Adding the final touches and building up a solid bottom 6 and secondary scoring and a little work on the top 4. My only hope is that PA does not go full Gillis/JR and mortgage the future. I want to see this group go forward and make smart trades without giving up tons of 1st and 2nd round picks a few years down the road. Gillis gave it everything to win a cup and came so close, but he sacrificed everything and set us soooo far behind… luckily JB drafted strong the first 5 years and hit several home runs, one in each area 1C 1D and 1G. PA and JR have my support, right now if you look at this team and compare it to the 2010-11 team construction, Benning was like Burke/Nonis and PA is like Gillis. This team is on the up while many teams at the top are on the down and the cap disaster in Edmonton is going to get very very ugly.

[The Duke]

4 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

100% and I’m very pleased with what this current management group has done to add to this roster.

Benning was here to build and that was it, playoffs were only a bonus if it were possible. Which is why he did get extended… twice. Which if it wasnt for our star players aside from Demko, Hughes and Miller, massively under performing (BB6 understandably so) we would have been a playoff team in 2021-22. 2022-23 was pretty much all goaltending that let us down. I’d say Benning might have been let go last season, not the season prior if our star players performed from day 1.

The way I see it is Benning was here to do the grunt work, the Burke/early Nonis years… He built a very promising core very quickly and it just needed time to go through some growing pains, just like Colorado did with Landeskog and Mackinnon.

I view this regime as the Gillis era. Adding the final touches and building up a solid bottom 6 and secondary scoring and a little work on the top 4. My only hope is that PA does not go full Gillis/JR and mortgage the future. I want to see this group go forward and make smart trades without giving up tons of 1st and 2nd round picks a few years down the road. Gillis gave it everything to win a cup and came so close, but he sacrificed everything and set us soooo far behind… luckily JB drafted strong the first 5 years and hit several home runs, one in each area 1C 1D and 1G. PA and JR have my support, right now if you look at this team and compare it to the 2010-11 team construction, Benning was like Burke/Nonis and PA is like Gillis. This team is on the up while many teams at the top are on the down and the cap disaster in Edmonton is going to get very very ugly.

Yeah, I’ve seen the Benning as Burke/Nonis and Allvin as Gillis parallel too. Obviously not the same as GMs but in that Benning left a lot of elite pieces but Allvin comes in to finesse the supporting cast in place and really work the cap. 
 

Either way - the result is a pretty fun team to watch and Allvin looks to have kept up with some decent drafting to boot.

[AnthonyG]

4 minutes ago, The Duke said:

Yeah, I’ve seen the Benning as Burke/Nonis and Allvin as Gillis parallel too. Obviously not the same as GMs but in that Benning left a lot of elite pieces but Allvin comes in to finesse the supporting cast in place and really work the cap. 
 

Either way - the result is a pretty fun team to watch and Allvin looks to have kept up with some decent drafting to boot.

And thats the one thing Gillis really lacked, drafting. Had he made changes to the scouting department or been able to identify talent on his own, we could have seamlessly transitioned from the Sedin era into the next era and continued pushing for playoffs. Or built primary scoring and had the twins as secondary scoring.

If we missed on any one of Demko, Hughes or Pettersson, this would be such a hard road ahead even for this team. The great thing is we have guys in place for many years and we can slowly develop players and bring them up at the right time

[filthy animal]

7 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Boy I sure love this Lekkerimaki kid

 

Someone should start a thread where we talk about him.

 

Or let anthony go on his merry way. Threads usually start getting toxic once he starts chiming in on his love for benning

 

So lekkerimaki you say? 

[filthy animal]

8 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

cool story my money is still on Pettersson, Demko, Miller, Boeser Hughes being better than any of those players listed.

 

Troll harder elsewhere

 

So if somebody has a differing opinion than you, automatically they are trolls. Riiiighhht

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip The Mesh]

I'm glad no worries, Chris. Gonna hold yah to that..

[AllGamesAreRigged]

10 hours ago, filthy animal said:

 

Or let anthony go on his merry way. Threads usually start getting toxic once he starts chiming in on his love for benning

 

So lekkerimaki you say? 

Vintage needs to join this forum asap

[Gawdzukes]

22 hours ago, filthy animal said:

 

I dunno if id call them minimal, people here were pretty stoked about goldobin, dahlen coming here. The kesler trade had the team hampered, but the package they received was decent. Could they have gotten a better deal? Sure but you can say that about a lot of trades. 

 

I get what your saying that ntcs did help in resigning players but they were also warranted since that team was made to win now, they were consistently top 10 in the standings in the few years gillis was there leading up to 2011. 

 

Goldobin and Dahlen were the best crap we could get ... anyone paying attention back then saw that Gillis' NTC land killed any chance of turning over the team.

[Hogs and Podz]

Hey.... Just wondering.  Has Lekky played this week so far?  If so, how was his play?

 

Edit:  didn't scroll up enough!!!  He was sick.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Hogs and Podz

[RetroCanuck]

2 hours ago, Hogs and Podz said:

Hey.... Just wondering.  Has Lekky played this week so far?  If so, how was his play?

 

Edit:  didn't scroll up enough!!!  He was sick.

Too much sh!t in the thread, easy to miss it

[AnthonyG]

On 11/3/2023 at 11:57 PM, filthy animal said:

 

So if somebody has a differing opinion than you, automatically they are trolls. Riiiighhht

 

 

 

 

 

Oh look my number 1 fan!

[Alflives]

26 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Oh look my number 1 fan!

Number 2 fan.

[LillStrimma]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Number 2 fan.

It feels I’m like 846 on that list… 

[Rip The Mesh]

If I had a complaint, it's that we don't have much access to any of this action except for the  odd time. Not asking for full game coverage,

just something a little more detailed. Chris really does his best to get what he can. Much appreciated...    

[AnthonyG]

On 11/3/2023 at 2:12 PM, filthy animal said:

Oh look, anthony with his 20000 word essay response on how jimbo rules.

Oh look the poster who has to sound out his very few words!

[LillStrimma]

1 hour ago, Rip The Mesh said:

If I had a complaint, it's that we don't have much access to any of this action except for the  odd time. Not asking for full game coverage,

just something a little more detailed. Chris really does his best to get what he can. Much appreciated...    

Sweden stream the swedish ganes for free so you should be able to watch them.

[The Lock]

On 11/3/2023 at 1:48 PM, AnthonyG said:

Bahahaha great logic

 

Benning built the core that is crystal clear, idk how you struggle to accept that and doubt it? Allvin added the support. you come across as valuing the support more than the core.

Lmao switch the timelines and tell me how your core would stack up against the rest of the league

Mikheyev+Kuzmenko+Lafferty+Soucy+DeSmith 

 

Congratulations!! Im so happy Allvin could find a couple guys in the top 6 and mostly bottom 6 additions!! His impact is so much greater than JB!! Realistically Mikheyev and Kuzmenko would not have signed here without any hopes of winning a cup, thanks to the core in place courtesy of JB.

 

 

JB = Burke+Nonis

PA = Gillis

 

Be thankful for JB, he found elite players that are the future and give us the best chance of winning a cup. Now PA and JR have the easy task of finding secondary scoring/role players. Not franchise players who change the game. Get your head on straight bud.

 

Any GM who stays with a team for almost a decade will have players they have found. The real question is, had another GM been in Benning's place, would there have been a more successful team within those same number of years?

 

It's fine to be thankful for what JB has brought, but it's also reasonable to think that other GMs could have done better. I'm sure there's even GMs that could have done worse.

 

At the end of the day, the core was unsuccessful until now. Because JB hasn't been GM for a couple of years now, that's going to be up to interpretation on if JB was a good GM or not, of which there are arguments for and against that. While we can't deny the core was brought in by JB, it did take a decade and he did make trades that also hampered us a lot.

Edited November 10, 2023 by The Lock

[MatchesMalone]

Lol if there was ever any question how great Judd Brackett is - great enough that some fans are still convinced Benning was a good GM...

[filthy animal]

On 11/4/2023 at 9:59 AM, Gawdzukes said:

 

Goldobin and Dahlen were the best crap we could get ... anyone paying attention back then saw that Gillis' NTC land killed any chance of turning over the team.

 

We turned Burrows and Hansen to a 1st and 2nd round prospect. At that time, were you or were you not doing cartwheels when that deal happened? of course you were.

 

If we traded Pearson for a 1st round prospect, there would be a 50 page thread of hype instantly

[LillStrimma]

6 hours ago, MatchesMalone said:

Lol if there was ever any question how great Judd Brackett is - great enough that some fans are still convinced Benning was a good GM...

You should post more insights from the scouting world. 

[filthy animal]

On 11/3/2023 at 7:20 PM, AnthonyG said:

100% and I’m very pleased with what this current management group has done to add to this roster.

Benning was here to build and that was it, playoffs were only a bonus if it were possible. Which is why he did get extended… twice. Which if it wasnt for our star players aside from Demko, Hughes and Miller, massively under performing (BB6 understandably so) we would have been a playoff team in 2021-22. 2022-23 was pretty much all goaltending that let us down. I’d say Benning might have been let go last season, not the season prior if our star players performed from day 1.

The way I see it is Benning was here to do the grunt work, the Burke/early Nonis years… He built a very promising core very quickly and it just needed time to go through some growing pains, just like Colorado did with Landeskog and Mackinnon.

I view this regime as the Gillis era. Adding the final touches and building up a solid bottom 6 and secondary scoring and a little work on the top 4. My only hope is that PA does not go full Gillis/JR and mortgage the future. I want to see this group go forward and make smart trades without giving up tons of 1st and 2nd round picks a few years down the road. Gillis gave it everything to win a cup and came so close, but he sacrificed everything and set us soooo far behind… luckily JB drafted strong the first 5 years and hit several home runs, one in each area 1C 1D and 1G. PA and JR have my support, right now if you look at this team and compare it to the 2010-11 team construction, Benning was like Burke/Nonis and PA is like Gillis. This team is on the up while many teams at the top are on the down and the cap disaster in Edmonton is going to get very very ugly.

 

You want to know what mortgaging the future is? Trading a 1st and 2nd for your boy OEL and Garland, adding 12 million of garbage to our cap. Or how about trading more early round picks than the Burke Gillis and Nonis COMBINED

 

Get your facts straight fanboy. Gillis gave up very very little to acquire Erhoff, Lapierre and Higgins

Edited November 10, 2023 by filthy animal

[MatchesMalone]

1 minute ago, LillStrimma said:

You should post more insights from the scouting world. 

 

I will try to do that. Not that I have any actual inside information but with enough research and knowing where to look I can provide some useful/interesting information. In the past I've broke down the Ottawa Senators scouting staff pick by pick for over a decade to provide insight into which scouts were responsible for which picks; I'd love to try doing this for the Canucks as well eventually. I also do mock drafts every year where I try to predict draft picks based on the tendencies of each team's top couple scouts. I've also been trying for a while now to put together some kind of list or ranking of the best scouts from around the league.

[filthy animal]

4 minutes ago, MatchesMalone said:

 

I will try to do that. Not that I have any actual inside information but with enough research and knowing where to look I can provide some useful/interesting information. In the past I've broke down the Ottawa Senators scouting staff pick by pick for over a decade to provide insight into which scouts were responsible for which picks; I'd love to try doing this for the Canucks as well eventually. I also do mock drafts every year where I try to predict draft picks based on the tendencies of each team's top couple scouts. I've also been trying for a while now to put together some kind of list or ranking of the best scouts from around the league.

 

The hell you doing it for the Senators for! Lets see some Canucks content in here, wouldn't mind seeing your breakdowns

Edited November 10, 2023 by filthy animal

[AnthonyG]

5 hours ago, filthy animal said:

 

You want to know what mortgaging the future is? Trading a 1st and 2nd for your boy OEL and Garland, adding 12 million of garbage to our cap. Or how about trading more early round picks than the Burke Gillis and Nonis COMBINED

 

Get your facts straight fanboy. Gillis gave up very very little to acquire Erhoff, Lapierre and Higgins

Hey bud, idk if you are aware, Benning BUILT the future.

[Hogs and Podz]

9 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Hey bud, idk if you are aware, Benning BUILT the future.

Anthony... Would you please stop hijacking these threads... I dont have access to watch games and often not even radio.  I rely heavily on this site for one stop canuck news.  But when I come to a thread that should be about a certain player... It ends up being about Benning some how.  

 

Why not start a separate thread that's specific to your arguments? 

 

Would be much appreciated.