flickyoursedin Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Johnson has elite pick skills. Kid has a Trevor Zegras type of ceiling. Would love to get him but I doubt he’s available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIAHN Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 No reclaimention projects. Thanks! That is what we have been doing for 50 years.......and we always seem to spend 2nd rounders, as well as additional assets. Example: Johnson for Podkolzin and a 2nd Well, no..............Johnson has not proven he can play professional hockey, as he can not play away from the puck We already know Podkolzin can play away from the puck, and he is now maturing in the AHL and developing his offensive game.......why would risk getting rid of a heavy body, playing better than Johnson, already? And our 2nd, is important, and could be a gem in next years draft............all for a kid that can't play defense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, JIAHN said: No reclaimention projects. Thanks! That is what we have been doing for 50 years.......and we always seem to spend 2nd rounders, as well as additional assets. Example: Johnson for Podkolzin and a 2nd Well, no..............Johnson has not proven he can play professional hockey, as he can not play away from the puck We already know Podkolzin can play away from the puck, and he is now maturing in the AHL and developing his offensive game.......why would risk getting rid of a heavy body, playing better than Johnson, already? And our 2nd, is important, and could be a gem in next years draft............all for a kid that can't play defense We don't have a second rounder in next year's draft... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: We don't have a second rounder in next year's draft... Until we trade Garland to Chicago with retention for our 2nd back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 There is some speculation that he might request a trade out by end of season if not part of the main roster. Scored 40pts in his rookie year and is now in Vincent’s doghouse. He definitely needs to improve his game without the puck, but his ceiling as an O Forward is incredibly high. Would love to see him here but just not sure we have the space or need or even the right system (for him to thrive in) right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 16 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Sure, if we want to be worse now even though management clearly wants to add to the roster. Kent Johnson isn't even deemed good enough to be on CBJ right now, but I'm guessing we think he can play in our top 6? Wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Sure, if we want to be worse now even though management clearly wants to add to the roster. Kent Johnson isn't even deemed good enough to be on CBJ right now, but I'm guessing we think he can play in our top 6? Wild. I wouldn’t do the deal now. However, in the summer we will have a BO 2.0 situation. Both Kuzmenko and Boeser will be one year from UFA. They’ll need new contracts. Pretty sure one will be traded. Can’t afford to keep both. It will be the same as Miller and BO. We will sign one and trade the other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) Kent Johnson and Boqvist for Podkolzin and Garland (25% retained) Edited November 4, 2023 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, bolt said: Kent Johnson and Boqvist for Podkolzin and Garland (25% retained) Trading two Tocchet players for two non Tocchet players. Trying to fit square pegs into round holes is exactly why Benning failed here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Should this not be in the proposals forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Trading two Tocchet players for two non Tocchet players. Trying to fit square pegs into round holes is exactly why Benning failed here. Garland is a Tocchet player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Garland is a Tocchet player? He actually is. Forechecks way harder than Johnson I can tell you that for free. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I wouldn’t do the deal now. However, in the summer we will have a BO 2.0 situation. Both Kuzmenko and Boeser will be one year from UFA. They’ll need new contracts. Pretty sure one will be traded. Can’t afford to keep both. It will be the same as Miller and BO. We will sign one and trade the other. I think management might find a way to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexM94 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Johnson for Boeser is very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 hours ago, DexM94 said: Johnson for Boeser is very interesting. Mostly just because of the cap savings but Brock has become a more complete player now toch saying how he plays a 200ft game now he’s also on pace for a career year tbh Brock’s value is way higher than Johnson’s to me Brock trade value now is on par with a solid no. 4 d man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Interesting idea but I think the CBJ gm is too stubborn for this . I think he's confused over why what he's assembled sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, canucks curse said: Mostly just because of the cap savings but Brock has become a more complete player now toch saying how he plays a 200ft game now he’s also on pace for a career year tbh Brock’s value is way higher than Johnson’s to me Brock trade value now is on par with a solid no. 4 d man It's interesting how Brock has started to solitify a top line role. He has had to work on some things and he has. Last night I saw a quicker first three steps, harder shot, better physical body position. There were some times last two years, I wanted Brock gone, now, I'm wait and see what we got here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexM94 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 The deal I can live with is K Johnson for Lekkerimaki. they want a goal scorer they will have it in their prospect pool, and with Johnson we are more into our compete window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Johnson trade won’t be cheap. He’s only 21 and was a top 5 overall pick. Would probably take an overpay to get him. Johnson for Garland + 1st + Podz Only reason to do this is to get a good prospect and cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 5 hours ago, DexM94 said: Johnson for Boeser is very interesting. this would be more of a future move I think. If cluombus is scratching him and then sending him to the AHL. Then he’s probably not ready. I don’t trust the Jackets and their ability to develop players. But if they’re scratching him. I’m not sure if I want to give up a lot to acquire him. I like Brock. He’s a Canuck through and through. But hey. If we can acquire Johnson for cheaper. I’m all for it. Buy low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 6 hours ago, canucks curse said: Mostly just because of the cap savings but Brock has become a more complete player now toch saying how he plays a 200ft game now he’s also on pace for a career year tbh Brock’s value is way higher than Johnson’s to me Brock trade value now is on par with a solid no. 4 d man I agree, Boeser has been playing really well at both ends of the ice and he's using his size better in the offensive zone to retrieve pucks. He's now playing like a 6.65 million per year player, maybe even a 7.5 million per year guy....if he can keep this up that is. This is the first time in his career that he's been better than a point per game guy. Part of that is line chemistry, they are all having good starts to the year, but its also the fact that they are all buying into Tocchet's system and game philosophy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 5, 2023 Author Share Posted November 5, 2023 5 hours ago, BPA said: Johnson trade won’t be cheap. He’s only 21 and was a top 5 overall pick. Would probably take an overpay to get him. Johnson for Garland + 1st + Podz Only reason to do this is to get a good prospect and cap space. Johnson can’t play without the puck. So Alf says … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Was super high on Johnson at the draft, but players like him can be high risk, as only part of his skill set translate to the NHL level. Even with people mentioning Zegras i'm still not 100% sold on him. Kid looks great on the highlight reels but most people don't see him getting walked, not back-checking, suicide passes, losing board battle after board battle. Not saying he is a bust as his skill and vision is off the charts too - i'm sure he will learn with better players around him, but still a lot to prove for me. I still think that he can transform his game, but I would be willing to trade the high value pieces that Columbus would still want to part with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 9 hours ago, BPA said: Johnson trade won’t be cheap. He’s only 21 and was a top 5 overall pick. Would probably take an overpay to get him. Johnson for Garland + 1st + Podz Only reason to do this is to get a good prospect and cap space. I would use these assets to get a no.3/4 RD and a solid bottom six guy ex: JJ Moser and Lawson Crouse but now that ARZ doesn't suck I doubt they move these guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 On 11/4/2023 at 8:28 AM, JIAHN said: No reclaimention projects. Thanks! That is what we have been doing for 50 years.......and we always seem to spend 2nd rounders, as well as additional assets. Example: Johnson for Podkolzin and a 2nd Well, no..............Johnson has not proven he can play professional hockey, as he can not play away from the puck We already know Podkolzin can play away from the puck, and he is now maturing in the AHL and developing his offensive game.......why would risk getting rid of a heavy body, playing better than Johnson, already? And our 2nd, is important, and could be a gem in next years draft............all for a kid that can't play defense Kent Johnson JUST turned 21 2 weeks ago. He's not a reclamation project. The kid is already scoring at near a 1/2 point a game. Why is it ok for Podkolzin (who has shown virtually nothing at the NHL level and is 16 months older than Johnson) to work on developing his game in the AHL but Johnson is a reclaimention project? It's all academic because Columbus wouldn't consider that trade for a moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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