spook007 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: I dunno.....from the other responses I've gotten, it seems like a lot of people do.... I think reading the posts you are all talking past one another... McD is an amazing player, and as such will be vilified at any opportunity. However, he is not the strongest defensive player, as several has mentioned. Sid is probably still the best all round player in the league and McKinnon has also shown himself to be good. It would be the same as saying Capitals no. 8, isn't a world star, cause he only scores goals... Oilers have 2 superstars in McD and Drai, but until they start to improve their two way play, or the players around them get better, they'll struggle to win the Cup... McD's biggest issue just now, is, he doesn't carry his team, when they are floating/struggling. Or maybe he does carry them, but can't at the moment... If he stopped all his complaining to the refs none stop, he'd be respected more. Just now its too much fun taking the Micky, because he always complains... Things like his interview after their 8-1 dropping, where he was moaning in the press about changing goalie, and putting out their 2nd best PP etc... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bob Long said: look at it this way, sometimes the hype is wrong, or very slanted. Karlsson getting the Norris over Fox, e.g., was ridiculous. Karlsson cheated all year to hit an offence target and bled points against. Is that the best d-man? I'm thinking that Jeff Jackson may have a burner account on the site. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Couple of main things imo - Bo was C in name only, I don't think he really led the team in the room. The other was the defensive style, he didn't trust them to play the way Tocc does. Everything was fall back and let Demko handle shots from the outside, it wore them down. That's a ridiculous assertion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, stawns said: That was when it started falling apart with Green, no question. Up until that point, they were progressing nicely, including the bubble playoff run. Looking back, I still don't understand why the wheels came off so spectacularly, but he lost that room in a hurry. could definitely have been nothing, but I distinctly remember a weird situation during Green's last pre-season in vancouver. I'm almost certain it was the first intermission of the first preseason game because it was a game being streamed online instead of televised where the camera feeds stay live in the building where normally it would go to tv timeout. anyway. it was maybe halfway through the intermission, and bo came back up the tunnel and sat by himself on/near the bench. shortly after, Pearse (if memory serves), came out and seemingly checked on him before going back, and then demmer did the same. I thought to myself, "why is the captain of the team sitting by himself on the bench during the intermission instead of doing what he's supposed to with his teammates?" it struck me as very off. up to that point, preseason had seemed positive. everything went rapidly downhill after. Edited November 8, 2023 by tas 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, tas said: could definitely have been nothing, but I distinctly remember a weird situation during Green's last pre-season in vancouver. I'm almost certain it was the first intermission of the first preseason game because it was a game being streamed online instead of televised where the camera feeds stay live in the building where normally it would go to tv timeout. anyway. it was maybe halfway through the intermission, and bo came back up the tunnel and sat by himself on/near the bench. shortly after, Pearse (if memory serves), came out and seemingly checked on him before going back, and then demmer did the same. I thought to myself, "why is the captain of the team sitting by himself on the bench during the intermission instead of doing what he's supposed to with his teammates?" it struck me as very off. up to that point, preseason had seemed positive. everything went rapidly downhill after. Cheers, never knew... good observation/ memory Definitely not something you'd expect from your Captain.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Bob Long said: look at it this way, sometimes the hype is wrong, or very slanted. Karlsson getting the Norris over Fox, e.g., was ridiculous. Karlsson cheated all year to hit an offence target and bled points against. Is that the best d-man? I'm not sure what Karlsson has to do with anything. I thought we already agreed to disagree about this. I absolutely believe that McDavid is the best player in the world.....Crosby and McKinnon included. You believe otherwise. You're not going to convince me that his current level of play is the norm while the rest of his career is the outlier, so there isn't much point in continuing this debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, spook007 said: I think reading the posts you are all talking past one another... McD is an amazing player, and as such will be vilified at any opportunity. However, he is not the strongest defensive player, as several has mentioned. Sid is probably still the best all round player in the league and McKinnon has also shown himself to be good. It would be the same as saying Capitals no. 8, isn't a world star, cause he only scores goals... Oilers have 2 superstars in McD and Drai, but until they start to improve their two way play, or the players around them get better, they'll struggle to win the Cup... McD's biggest issue just now, is, he doesn't carry his team, when they are floating/struggling. Or maybe he does carry them, but can't at the moment... If he stopped all his complaining to the refs none stop, he'd be respected more. Just now its too much fun taking the Micky, because he always complains... Things like his interview after their 8-1 dropping, where he was moaning in the press about changing goalie, and putting out their 2nd best PP etc... I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it. I think many posters here are letting their personal dislike of McDavid seep into their opinions. I understand that you (and others) might not agree with that assessment, but as I said when I made my original post on the subject, it isn't going to be a popular take. I think many people are looking at the current state of the Oilers and putting that on McDavid's shoulders, but he's playing through an injury and his GM hasn't managed to get him an NHL caliber goalkeeper. I'd be frustrated too.... In any event, we're just going over the same talking points here and hijacking the thread. Agree to disagree and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, spook007 said: Cheers, never knew... good observation/ memory Definitely not something you'd expect from your Captain.... I remember that as well and things went downhill from there. No one will ever convince me that there wasn't a coup, led by Miller in that room. One that, ultimately, got Green fired, Benning fired and Bo traded........let's hope Petey isn't a casualty of that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 21 hours ago, RupertKBD said: She would have been a better pick than Nail..... And Nurse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haddy Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 hours ago, CanucksJay said: Oooh sarcasm... I forgot, that makes it ok. Ok carry on then. Its doubly ok though because she makes alot of money too. Am I doing this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Or maybe Allvin can move him. I'd imagine that's the plan, as I don't see them re-signing him in the off season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 21 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said: This is a good look; I had almost forgotten.. They need to bring that jersey back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 21 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said: This is a good look; I had almost forgotten.. the white has always looked better than the black imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, tas said: the white has always looked better than the black imo. When I think of the black skate, I think Bure. When I think of the white, it's Trevor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Or it's his new path. Injuries and wear catch up to all these guys eventually. I just disagree with calling him the best player right now. In some areas for sure. Not as a complete player or leader tho. Yeah it's subjective for sure, depending on what you value but it's pretty hard to argue he's not right close at the top and his skill and speed combo is probably next to no one. Highly doubt it's a new path either. a player of his stature doesn't just wither up and die at 26 after the start to his career so far. So who would your top 5 be? Spoiler My top 10 off the top of my head without getting all in depth McDavid Hughes Petterson Eichel Kucherov Mackinnon Matthews Draisaitl Pasternak Hedman/Makar/Hughes Something like that anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah it's subjective for sure, depending on what you value but it's pretty hard to argue he's not right close at the top and his skill and speed combo is probably next to no one. Highly doubt it's a new path either. a player of his stature doesn't just wither up and die at 26 after the start to his career so far. So who would your top 5 be? Reveal hidden contents My top 10 off the top of my head without getting all in depth McDavid Hughes Petterson Eichel Kucherov Mackinnon Matthews Draisaitl Pasternak Hedman/Makar/Hughes Something like that anyway I don't think's much subjective about it, to be honest. There's McD and then there's everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 45 minutes ago, stawns said: I remember that as well and things went downhill from there. No one will ever convince me that there wasn't a coup, led by Miller in that room. One that, ultimately, got Green fired, Benning fired and Bo traded........let's hope Petey isn't a casualty of that as well. What did Miller do to you? Did he rob your lunch money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, Ghostsof1915 said: What did Miller do to you? Did he rob your lunch money? I think he's a great player.......when times are good. When times are bad, he's a guy who can poison a room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it. I think many posters here are letting their personal dislike of McDavid seep into their opinions. I understand that you (and others) might not agree with that assessment, but as I said when I made my original post on the subject, it isn't going to be a popular take. I think many people are looking at the current state of the Oilers and putting that on McDavid's shoulders, but he's playing through an injury and his GM hasn't managed to get him an NHL caliber goalkeeper. I'd be frustrated too.... In any event, we're just going over the same talking points here and hijacking the thread. Agree to disagree and move on. If you look at the comments regarding the discussion it looks very much like opposing (us) fans trying hard to revel in a bad run of form for their team. Absolutely does make a difference that he hasn't been surrounded by better players but running McDavid down as a player really doesn't jive with common sense imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Water Walker Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said: Hey! The are moving now! When was the last time the Canucks had that kind of defense lineup? Ohlund era? GCG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, stawns said: That's a ridiculous assertion Ok. Tell me how he led the guys? 3 minutes ago, stawns said: I think he's a great player.......when times are good. When times are bad, he's a guy who can poison a room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Ok. Tell me how he led the guys? tell me how he didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah it's subjective for sure, depending on what you value but it's pretty hard to argue he's not right close at the top and his skill and speed combo is probably next to no one. Highly doubt it's a new path either. a player of his stature doesn't just wither up and die at 26 after the start to his career so far. So who would your top 5 be? Hide contents My top 10 off the top of my head without getting all in depth McDavid Hughes Petterson Eichel Kucherov Mackinnon Matthews Draisaitl Pasternak Hedman/Makar/Hughes Something like that anyway Hard to argue with the list. I think we'd have to break it down situationally. You could re-rank it a few ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Strange thing. The team trades Bo. Then gets a new coach, then starts playing really well under a structured system. Now we have a new Captain. How do you suppose Miller is supposed to sabotage things now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, stawns said: tell me how he didn't Physically. Almost never stood up when guys got flattened. Didn't compel the room to be fitter/ready like MacKinnon. Nice fella, nothing toxic about him, just didn't push the room to be better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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