Oiler Abuse

[AnthonyG]

1 minute ago, Miss Korea said:

Again.  Nothing you're saying explains the major drop-off this year.  The Oilers were actually better at powerplays in the 2023 postseason, where they skyrocketed to 46.2%.

 

I also don't want to hear crap about McDavid being a power play specialist.  The current Canuck stars are power play specialists.  Nearly half of the points from all our big guys (Hughes, Pettersson, Miller, Boeser) have come from the powerplay.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a strong powerplay so I'm simply trying to understand why the Oilers powerplay has suddenly fallen back down to earth.  You have not given a single substantive explanation as to why.  

That doesnt mean what their PP was doing in the playoffs was sustainable.

One hot streak on the PP in the playoffs drastically inflates your numbers. Because of the sample size.

Why be concerned about the PP when that is situational, I’d be concerned 5v5 which is a guarantee. Edmonton is 26th in GF at 5v5, Vancouver is 1st. We are more than PP specialists.

[Miss Korea]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

That doesnt mean what their PP was doing in the playoffs was sustainable.

One hot streak on the PP in the playoffs drastically inflates your numbers. Because of the sample size.

Why be concerned about the PP when that is situational, I’d be concerned 5v5 which is a guarantee. Edmonton is 26th in GF at 5v5, Vancouver is 1st. We are more than PP specialists.

 

46.2% is unsustainable but AGAIN you are basically ignoring the drop off from 32.4% last year to 21.9% this year.  The power play has been the Oilers' primary weapon for some time and this season it's been very average.  That is not situational.

 

Honestly it's a waste of time debating with you.  You're not saying anything of substance as to why the OFFENSE has gotten worse.  You haven't even explained why their defence has gotten worse, which it clearly has.  

[AnthonyG]

7 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

 

46.2% is unsustainable but AGAIN you are basically ignoring the drop off from 32.4% last year to 21.9% this year.  The power play has been the Oilers' primary weapon for some time and this season it's been very average.  That is not situational.

 

Honestly it's a waste of time debating with you.  You're not saying anything of substance as to why the OFFENSE has gotten worse.  You haven't even explained why their defence has gotten worse, which it clearly has.  

Hey if you really want to know, go do your own research. If you had some fucking patience I was going to go a little further in depth for you when I got home from work.

 

If you cant figure out Kane is not the same since his wrist injury, McDavid has had a nagging injury aside from his pride thats been stifling his offence a bit and that EVERY team in the league knows what their PP is all about and have made the adjustments, then Im sorry you cant be helped.

 

the fact you are so concerned about their PP shows you have your worries focused on the wrong area of the game. Powerplays are out of their control, maybe try scoring 5v5 first and then worry about the PP because if cant score 5v5 you are fucked.

Edited November 24, 2023 by AnthonyG

[Rekker]

FYI. Oilers pre-season record was 5 - 2 - 1 and McDavid had 7 points including 4 goals. Remember not to put too much into pre-season games. Their Cup or Bust motto was hanging high at end of pre-season. Lol.

[King Heffy]

9 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Hey if you really want to know, go do your own research. If you had some fucking patience I was going to go a little further in depth for you when I got home from work.

 

If you cant figure out Kane is not the same since his wrist injury, McDavid has had a nagging injury aside from his pride thats been stifling his offence a bit and that EVERY team in the league knows what their PP is all about and have made the adjustments, then Im sorry you cant be helped.

 

the fact you are so concerned about their PP shows you have your worries focused on the wrong area of the game. Powerplays are out of their control, maybe try scoring 5v5 first and then worry about the PP because if cant score 5v5 you are fucked.

The coaching adjustments are key.

[Sneakystink]

[Rekker]

McD would of been better served to have some good veteran leadership when he came into the league. He still plays like a junior player. Draisatel as well. That team is toast. 

[Rekker]

1 minute ago, Sneakystink said:

Man, I remember when that sad sack franchise undeservingly won the draft lottery and McD. Opening game that season fans had car flags out already here in Kelowna, for real. I remember 2011 well and how that fan base cheered hard for the Bruins. I am loving this and will never feel any sympathy for them going through this. 

[AnthonyG]

46 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

You haven't even explained why their defence has gotten worse, which it clearly has.  

1) their defence is absolutely trash. Darnell fuckin Nurse? Bouchard? Ekholm?

2) see below

1 hour ago, AnthonyG said:

1) I think McDavid is trying to find his own pulse. The guy has no heart, that shit aint beating at all. Never been much of a back checker, just gives lip service to the camera when shit doesnt go his way. No extra effort.

 

2) McWhiner and Crysaddle never took a step forward. Their 2way game is still much the same. Just swinging sticks instead of getting into position or catching up and taking the man/tying the guy up.

 

3) if you dont try to play in your own end, you’re going to give up lots of goals.

 

4) sad that its only noticeable in one end of the ice where they pour it on. Maybe they should try water the grass in the dzone and seeing if it grows?

 

1 hour ago, Miss Korea said:

 

WTF????   What a meaningless response.

 

All your points are just that they suck and aren't trying.  McDavid has no heart... they are just lazy whiners, they're not trying, they don't backcheck...

 

1 hour ago, AnthonyG said:

Im calling out their leadership. There is zero accountability and zero display of how to play the right way. They put no fucking effort in on the defensive side

 

they got by on powerplays largely and poor goaltending from Markstrom. The moment the powerplays disappeared, so did the oilers hopes. Its no secret that McDavid had nearly half his points come on the PP last year (71) without the PP the struggle big time

I laid it out for you multiple times as to what the issue is defensively.

 

46 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

you are basically ignoring

 

 

47 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

Honestly it's a waste of time debating with you.  You're not saying anything of substance 

Chew on your own words.

[VegasCanuck]

But, HEYYYYYYYY, that new Coach fixed everything, right??????????

 

Was watching the highlights of the Edmonton Carolina game from last night, 5 Oilers standing around in front of the net, 1 Carolina guy scoring while they all do everything they can to avoid checking him.

 

 

 

 

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, Sneakystink said:

Problem is she'll let 5 guys score every night 

[Elias Pettersson]

3 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

 

WTF????   What a meaningless response.

 

All your points are just that they suck and aren't trying.  McDavid has no heart... they are just lazy whiners, they're not trying, they don't backcheck...

 

There's way more to it than that.  There is little explanation for why everything that worked in the past is suddenly failing catastrophically now.  They have won THREE playoffs series in the past two seasons.  By all accounts they are the same team as they were last year, but performing infinitely worse.  If they were the same (even as you suggested) then it doesn't explain what's happened here.  Why has their powerplay plummeted?  They have gone from 32.4% conversion last year to 21.9% this year.  That has nothing to do with anything you've mentioned.

 

Asking other folks.

 

The Oilers are a one man show.  As McBaby goes, so do the Oilers.  McBaby is on pace for 82 points.  Last year he had 153 points.  If Gretzky went from 200 points to 100 points then the Oilers of the 80's would have suffered too.

 

The Oilers aren't winning games 7-6 anymore.  The reason why is they can't score enough goals to just outscore the opposition like they did last year.  Without that extra scoring from McDavid they can't win games, period.  It's really not that complicated.

 

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers have AHL goaltending, an AHL defence and their franchise player is playing at 50% capacity of what he did last year.  Put that all together and you have a very mediocre team.  One of the worst in the entire NHL...

Edited November 24, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

 

46.2% is unsustainable but AGAIN you are basically ignoring the drop off from 32.4% last year to 21.9% this year.  The power play has been the Oilers' primary weapon for some time and this season it's been very average.  That is not situational.

 

Honestly it's a waste of time debating with you.  You're not saying anything of substance as to why the OFFENSE has gotten worse.  You haven't even explained why their defence has gotten worse, which it clearly has.  

 

Who is the key member of the Oilers PP?  How many points does that player have this year compared to last year?  You can do the math Bob, it ain't that complicated.

 

If Gretzky went from 200 points to 100 points, the Oilers of the 80's would have had a significant drop off as well.  Same with the Canucks.  If Hughes, Miller and Petey are average in scoring this year, then we are probably not even a playoff team right now...

[Elias Pettersson]

This play pretty much explains everything.  As you can see, McDavid and Draisaitl are both on the ice, and neither one picks up a man or the trailer, Necas, who eventually scores the goal.  It's like only having 3 guys on the ice instead of 5 in your own end...

 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Friends forever, even as the ship is about to go down...

 

 

[Chickenspear]

[Miss Korea]

6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

The Oilers are a one man show.  As McBaby goes, so do the Oilers.  McBaby is on pace for 82 points.  Last year he had 153 points.  If Gretzky went from 200 points to 100 points then the Oilers of the 80's would have suffered too.

 

The Oilers aren't winning games 7-6 anymore.  The reason why is they can't score enough goals to just outscore the opposition like they did last year.  Without that extra scoring from McDavid they can't win games, period.  It's really not that complicated.

 

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers have AHL goaltending, an AHL defence and their franchise player is playing at 50% capacity of what he did last year.  Put that all together and you have a very mediocre team.  One of the worst in the entire NHL...

 

6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Who is the key member of the Oilers PP?  How many points does that player have this year compared to last year?  You can do the math Bob, it ain't that complicated.

 

If Gretzky went from 200 points to 100 points, the Oilers of the 80's would have had a significant drop off as well.  Same with the Canucks.  If Hughes, Miller and Petey are average in scoring this year, then we are probably not even a playoff team right now...

 

Ah here we are again.  How long has it been?  New forum, new username, same shit.  It's always about the Edmonton fucking Oilers.  Here we go again...

 

That Spector question the other day should be rephrased.  It should be "Why are you guys losing 7-2 when last year you lost 6-5 even on a bad day?"  It's a lethal combination of the Oilers defending less AND scoring less.  Even the biggest cynic might've thought they'd be a mediocre team that wouldn't make the playoffs this year.  But they're not mediocre.  They're complete dogshit.  The exact same team as last year... the team that lit up the division and made it to the second round... and now they're complete dogshit.

 

That AHL goaltending and that AHL defence?  They were just okay last year.  Skinner had a .914 SV% and a 2.73 GAA last year.  That's decent.  Cody Ceci had a decent reputation as a defensive defenceman before signing with EDM.  Brett Kulak had an excellent reputation as a defensive defenceman before he signed.  The Ekholm acquisition was a really good one.  But right now, nothing is clicking.  Everyone looks like shit.  Those defenders look like shit.  The goaltenders look like shit.  Legit NHLers come to Edmonton and start playing like AHLers.  Either none of these players (from all different backgrounds) are not buying into the Oilers system, or it's just that the Oilers system is fundamentally broken.  And that is a rot at the organizational/personnel level.

 

If Gretzky went from 200 points to 100 points, the media would be going nuts with speculation, and that's what we're doing here.  No lie when I say McDavid looks dead inside.  Something is terribly wrong with him.  Maybe it's stemming from him and affecting the rest of his team, maybe it's the other way around, or maybe it's just a massive feedback loop.  Either way, it's not a good look for the league's best player to be suffering on a team that has hit rock bottom.

 

[4petesake]

[Bob Long]

16 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

This play pretty much explains everything.  As you can see, McDavid and Draisaitl are both on the ice, and neither one picks up a man or the trailer, Necas, who eventually scores the goal.  It's like only having 3 guys on the ice instead of 5 in your own end...

 

 

 

thats actually hilarious. 

 

[Blue]

This is insane. Look at this draft capital yet they do NOTHING 

 

 

[Mathew Barzal]

Is this place going to turn into cgypuck? I’d hope this board is above threads like this in poor taste.

[Bob Long]

7 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

Is this place going to turn into cgypuck? I’d hope this board is above threads like this in poor taste.

 

McDavid is a whiner baby.

[Kragar]

14 hours ago, Blue said:

This is insane. Look at this draft capital yet they do NOTHING 

 

 

Behind that defense and team system, a goalie who can steal games won't move the needle much.

 

Until a coach and GM can figure out the importance of good defensive play, and McD worries more about winning games than winning the Art Ross, they're gonna keep busting.

 

 

[CanucksJay]

The fact that Zadorov was available for such a low price but they didn't have the capspace is funny 

What's the point of listing all the draft picks available when you have no cap to work with anyway? 

A team would pretty much need to retain Max figures and then take an oiler garbage like Connor Brown to make a trade work. 

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

On 12/21/2023 at 10:05 AM, Kragar said:

Behind that defense and team system, a goalie who can steal games won't move the needle much.

 

Until a coach and GM can figure out the importance of good defensive play, and McD worries more about winning games than winning the Art Ross, they're gonna keep busting.