[Weekes/Dhaliwal] Zadorov Requests Trade, Canucks/Leafs Among Interested Teams

[NHL97OneTimer]

Agree.....they're still winning but they're not looking as solid.  Juulson is not great out there.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Gotta support/reward the stars if they keep it up. 

[WHL rocks]

Gotta make a trade for a top 4 D

 

Gotta reward the players plus you never know what this team could do..

[Elias Pettersson]

Soucy is out 2 months.  Can’t be playing Friedman and Juulsen every game until January.  Not fair to the players. 

 

Zadorov is a necessity now.  C’mon Allvin, pull the trigger…

[EB43]

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

What would Demko get us? 

a cup.

[Willander the Great]

Yep, when we have the top three scorers in the NHL, through one fifth of the way through the season already, then we definitely do have to reward this team with another top 4 D man. 
 

 

[Lemon Face]

1 hour ago, WHL rocks said:

Gotta make a trade for a top 4 D

 

Gotta reward the players plus you never know what this team could do..

I am starting to be nervous.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Rumour is, one of our players went up to Tanev and Zadorov and said "let's go on a run".

 

 

Edit: I said this satirically but then remembered:

 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/hughes-told-canucks-management-tanev-fan

Edited November 16, 2023 by Rusty Shackleford

[NoCupSyndrome]

Not saying they need to make a trade today or soon (or that Z is the guy) but they can't let this season go to waste either. Long season left but trades for two solid/reliable D would be huge for this team.

[Miss Korea]

3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Soucy is out 2 months.  Can’t be playing Friedman and Juulsen every game until January.  Not fair to the players. 

 

Zadorov is a necessity now.  C’mon Allvin, pull the trigger…

 

There are some serious risks to what I'm about to suggest, but...

 

I think we should try and stay the course and cycle through our existing defencemen.  Friedman and Juulsen are not great, there's no doubt about it.  But when Brisebois comes back, maybe those three (plus Hirose) can form a committee of guys who can slot in interchangeably.

 

I feel like Zadorov will be an overpayment and not the right-handed player we need.  He is also not a big minutes-eater which should be the main focus of any acquisition.

 

The risks of both options are obvious.  We take him on, we risk overpaying for someone who isn't a good fit.  We stay put, we risk going into a losing skid and can't regain the momentum even after Soucy cokes back.  This is why I'm so thankful our team has banked as many points as it has.  It gives us a nice cushion when things start to go sideways (like it is right now).

[wai_lai416]

45 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

 

There are some serious risks to what I'm about to suggest, but...

 

I think we should try and stay the course and cycle through our existing defencemen.  Friedman and Juulsen are not great, there's no doubt about it.  But when Brisebois comes back, maybe those three (plus Hirose) can form a committee of guys who can slot in interchangeably.

 

I feel like Zadorov will be an overpayment and not the right-handed player we need.  He is also not a big minutes-eater which should be the main focus of any acquisition.

 

The risks of both options are obvious.  We take him on, we risk overpaying for someone who isn't a good fit.  We stay put, we risk going into a losing skid and can't regain the momentum even after Soucy cokes back.  This is why I'm so thankful our team has banked as many points as it has.  It gives us a nice cushion when things start to go sideways (like it is right now).

why do we need a big minute eater? what is even considered a big minute eater? someone that can play 23 24+ mins?? we don't need one we already have 2 that's at 23+ mins. Zadorov basically just takes up soucy minutes.. cole plays around 20mins.. myer around 18 soucy around 16-17.. so where you need this big minute guy for? Zadorov would just be somewhere in betwen the 16-18min. and i really don't get the insistant of we want a RD not a LD. if anything i say we need a LD more than we need a RD long term.. cole is universal and is fine playing the RD just as he is with the LD.. so depth wise we really have nothing after hughes and nothing after hronek as soucy and myers are both 3rd pairing guy at best. long term wise at least we have willander as a RD that hopefully will fit into the top 4 possibly 2nd pairing.. where's the LD coming from? or say we sign hronek to a 7-8 year deal.. and then we sign whatever RD u want to pick up to a 4-5 year deal.. we going to bring up Willander eventually as a 3rd pairing only for the next 4-5 years? ideally willander will be on his ELC on the 2nd pairing.. and then u can sign another cheap 3rd pairing rd to maximize the benefit of willander's elc.. wasting money on a RD makes 0 sense short and long term because we have willander while we have nothing on the left side.. i rather we get a LD long term and use a short term fix at RD like cole or tanev in the summer until Willander is ready.

 

Hughes Hronek

       Cole

Soucy Myers

[Boudrias]

7 hours ago, Willander the Great said:

Yep, when we have the top three scorers in the NHL, through one fifth of the way through the season already, then we definitely do have to reward this team with another top 4 D man. 
 

 

This must be a misprint. Crickets coming out of Lafferville. Oh, and Boeser has 21 points as well so lurking at #10. If this was the Laffs the parade would be in full swing. They would by lobbying for a bye into the Conference Finals!

 

Look out Flamers. The Canuck dreadnought is headed your way! No stuffing Tanev into the equipment bags after the game tonight either. He is old and would likely break an ankle.   

 

Hronek with a 107 mph slapper! 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Boudrias

[flickyoursedin]

Bring Tanev back please! Guy is still a beast defensively and would be a fantastic add to our top 4!

[BC_Hawk]

4 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

why do we need a big minute eater? what is even considered a big minute eater? someone that can play 23 24+ mins?? we don't need one we already have 2 that's at 23+ mins. Zadorov basically just takes up soucy minutes.. cole plays around 20mins.. myer around 18 soucy around 16-17.. so where you need this big minute guy for? Zadorov would just be somewhere in betwen the 16-18min. and i really don't get the insistant of we want a RD not a LD. if anything i say we need a LD more than we need a RD long term.. cole is universal and is fine playing the RD just as he is with the LD.. so depth wise we really have nothing after hughes and nothing after hronek as soucy and myers are both 3rd pairing guy at best. long term wise at least we have willander as a RD that hopefully will fit into the top 4 possibly 2nd pairing.. where's the LD coming from? or say we sign hronek to a 7-8 year deal.. and then we sign whatever RD u want to pick up to a 4-5 year deal.. we going to bring up Willander eventually as a 3rd pairing only for the next 4-5 years? ideally willander will be on his ELC on the 2nd pairing.. and then u can sign another cheap 3rd pairing rd to maximize the benefit of willander's elc.. wasting money on a RD makes 0 sense short and long term because we have willander while we have nothing on the left side.. i rather we get a LD long term and use a short term fix at RD like cole or tanev in the summer until Willander is ready.

 

Hughes Hronek

       Cole

Soucy Myers

Bingo! And LD are cheaper to acquire and sign. Also, the first 16 games have shown they gotta keep the Hughes-Hronek pairing together too.

Edited November 16, 2023 by BC_Hawk

[canucks curse]

9 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

Agree.....they're still winning but they're not looking as solid.  Juulson is not great out there.

 

Agree 

Hughes give away - looked fatigued 

Hronek Hughes too many minutes 

need upgrades on Freudian and juulsen 

I wouldn’t leave it too long 

need load management for QH FH

also with Petey playing hurt we need QH relatively rested 

[canucks curse]

6 hours ago, Rusty Shackleford said:

Rumour is, one of our players went up to Tanev and Zadorov and said "let's go on a run".

 

 

Edit: I said this satirically but then remembered:

 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/hughes-told-canucks-management-tanev-fan

Yes 

I think tanev could be cheapest solution and also best personal fit 

would boost leadership group and moral even more 

[coho8888]

4 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

why do we need a big minute eater? what is even considered a big minute eater? someone that can play 23 24+ mins?? we don't need one we already have 2 that's at 23+ mins. Zadorov basically just takes up soucy minutes.. cole plays around 20mins.. myer around 18 soucy around 16-17.. so where you need this big minute guy for? Zadorov would just be somewhere in betwen the 16-18min. and i really don't get the insistant of we want a RD not a LD. if anything i say we need a LD more than we need a RD long term.. cole is universal and is fine playing the RD just as he is with the LD.. so depth wise we really have nothing after hughes and nothing after hronek as soucy and myers are both 3rd pairing guy at best. long term wise at least we have willander as a RD that hopefully will fit into the top 4 possibly 2nd pairing.. where's the LD coming from? or say we sign hronek to a 7-8 year deal.. and then we sign whatever RD u want to pick up to a 4-5 year deal.. we going to bring up Willander eventually as a 3rd pairing only for the next 4-5 years? ideally willander will be on his ELC on the 2nd pairing.. and then u can sign another cheap 3rd pairing rd to maximize the benefit of willander's elc.. wasting money on a RD makes 0 sense short and long term because we have willander while we have nothing on the left side.. i rather we get a LD long term and use a short term fix at RD like cole or tanev in the summer until Willander is ready.

 

Hughes Hronek

       Cole

Soucy Myers

I don’t often agree with you but on this one you are bang on.  Soucy is gone for 2 months and we really shouldn’t be testing our D depth right now.  Zads would take up soucy’s minutes and be paired with Myers.  Cole can be the Vet that plays with any of the temps we have on the right side for the third pairing.  When soucy comes back he can be paired with cole with myers moved back with soucy.  This all providing we don’t have to give up the farm to get him.

[wai_lai416]

14 minutes ago, coho8888 said:

I don’t often agree with you but on this one you are bang on.  Soucy is gone for 2 months and we really shouldn’t be testing our D depth right now.  Zads would take up soucy’s minutes and be paired with Myers.  Cole can be the Vet that plays with any of the temps we have on the right side for the third pairing.  When soucy comes back he can be paired with cole with myers moved back with soucy.  This all providing we don’t have to give up the farm to get him.

only issue is i dn't see the cost cheap.. because in order to get zad or any defenceman for that matter we need to find a team willing to take beau or garland.. if such a team exist they would have been gone already. beau calgary might be willing to take if we attach something to it.. they have no need for them and why would they want to take him off our hand for free so we can get zad from them unless we are offering something that's very enticing

[NHL97OneTimer]

Tanev is likely the better fit between him and Zad at this point in time unless they can get an extension with Zadorov at a friendly price.  We don't need a top 2 D guy.  Tanev is reliable, has a head on his shoulders and is comfortable with Vancouver.  He's more likely between the two to re-sign at an affordable price.  He's a right hander.  He does get injured but on this team he could play more limited minutes, yet pick up more minutes as needed.  He plays 19-20 minutes per game right now which is in the sweet spot.  Is he old?  He's 33.  So he probably has a few years left in him if he wants.  The big question for me is if Tanev would want to come back and stay in Vancouver at an affordable price.

 

The price tag for Zadorov is my concern (both in trade and to re-sign), but perhaps I'm overstating his value on the market simply because of his age.  

 

Either of these guys would help the Canucks out.

[Coryberg]

1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

 beau calgary might be willing to take if we attach something to it.. they have no need for them and why would they want to take him off our hand for free so we can get zad from them unless we are offering something that's very enticing

I could see Calgary being comfortable taking beaulivier as a neutral cap dump to facilitate a trade. The flames could then trade Beau at the deadline at 50% retained to make it worth their while.

 

That being said they would still want us to outbid every other team with the other pieces and that makes me nervous. Zadorov is big and mean bit also terribly slow, I don't see him fitting well in our system.  As for Tanev imagine paying a hefty price for him just to have him injure himself as per usual and be in the same situation as we are now.

 

If we are going to give up futures I would rather do a Hronek type deal for a younger defenceman who we can retain for years to come. No short term rentals for high prices.

 

[wai_lai416]

24 minutes ago, Coryberg said:

I could see Calgary being comfortable taking beaulivier as a neutral cap dump to facilitate a trade. The flames could then trade Beau at the deadline at 50% retained to make it worth their while.

 

That being said they would still want us to outbid every other team with the other pieces and that makes me nervous. Zadorov is big and mean bit also terribly slow, I don't see him fitting well in our system.  As for Tanev imagine paying a hefty price for him just to have him injure himself as per usual and be in the same situation as we are now.

 

If we are going to give up futures I would rather do a Hronek type deal for a younger defenceman who we can retain for years to come. No short term rentals for high prices.

 

i personally don't see calgary doing a zadorov for beau + whatever chump change we throw at them and then retain 50% on beau for like a 3rd or 4th rounder.. they can easily retain 50% on zadorov now and it'll easily beat out whatever you think u can get for beauvillier at 50%.. honestly i wouldn't even want beauvillier at 50%.. as he doesn't really bring anything to the team and i wouldnt even mind him in the pressbox..  

 

if they are doing something like that i see more like zadorov 50% retained to toronto for klingsberg 50% retained + whatever load of prospect picks they'll have to send.. and then klingsberg another 50% retained to another team. klingsberg at 75% off is enticing to a contender that could use him as a pp specialist and 3rd pairing situational minutes.

[Combover]

22 minutes ago, Coryberg said:

I could see Calgary being comfortable taking beaulivier as a neutral cap dump to facilitate a trade. The flames could then trade Beau at the deadline at 50% retained to make it worth their while.

 

That being said they would still want us to outbid every other team with the other pieces and that makes me nervous. Zadorov is big and mean bit also terribly slow, I don't see him fitting well in our system.  As for Tanev imagine paying a hefty price for him just to have him injure himself as per usual and be in the same situation as we are now.

 

If we are going to give up futures I would rather do a Hronek type deal for a younger defenceman who we can retain for years to come. No short term rentals for high prices.

 

Yup that’s how I feel, he was injury prone here and he’ll be 34 in December. 
love the guy but rather not go that route.

 

id like Z but not if the cost is stupid. 

and it sounds like it is. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Captain insano]

36 minutes ago, Coryberg said:

I could see Calgary being comfortable taking beaulivier as a neutral cap dump to facilitate a trade. The flames could then trade Beau at the deadline at 50% retained to make it worth their while.

 

That being said they would still want us to outbid every other team with the other pieces and that makes me nervous. Zadorov is big and mean bit also terribly slow, I don't see him fitting well in our system.  As for Tanev imagine paying a hefty price for him just to have him injure himself as per usual and be in the same situation as we are now.

 

If we are going to give up futures I would rather do a Hronek type deal for a younger defenceman who we can retain for years to come. No short term rentals for high prices.

 

I agree with most of what you say but I do have to point out zadorov is quite mobile for his size and not exactly slow he gets around very similar the way tryamkin did for us but a better version of tryamkin, with that being said I completely agree if we are going to overpay do it with a team like the rangers for one of their young dmen they won’t be able to pay coming off an elc like Schneider (I know beating a dead horse) just an easy example  

[Deano40]

Vancouver

Zadorov

Tanev

 

Calgary

Meyers (Salary retention to make it work and only for this year)

Garland

2024 1st round

[Provost]

If Calgary is reticent to trade with us, find another trade partner.

 

It isn’t just rewarding players, it is also protecting them.  Our season could go in a starkly different direction if Hughes gets hurt.  Playing him 30 minutes a night really increases the chances of that.

 

It is also time to start looking forward.  We could use a couple of grittier playoff type players still for when whistles get put away.  I think that is why Zadorov is of such interest.  He has a skillset the team really needs in the playoffs.  Petterson and Hughes need to be untouchable without a response from someone.  That means it isn’t just a couple goons, but guys who will actually be on the ice.