Popular Post canucks curse Posted November 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2023 Per 650 and Dhaliwal speculation - Canucks really want a D man Now! - Canucks working phones hard - they love Tanev and Zadorov but CGY charging them a premium which Canucks think is rediculous given they will both be UFAs and even if traded Tanev may hold out to sign with chance to take to VAN after July 1 - they didn’t get into prices - a lot of teams calling on Tanev - CGY wants to move all players East 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 the thing about penalties not being called in the playoffs doesnt exist anymore, it may come back at any time but for the last few seasons we have seen more penalties and more powerplays in the playoffs. which is a good thing for us. the league has been fairly consistent with the instigator penalty this season and PPO has gone up almost 0.5 a powerplay a game this season... the league is under scrutiny to be more consistent and they are delivering, just so happens its the year we have an amazing powerplay... this season is made for us... im more enclined to make a trade now that soucy is injured... Zadorovs minutes will be more valuable than garlands or Beaus... the only issue is Zadorov isnt a right shooting RD we need tanev more than we need zads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, canucks curse said: Per 650 and Dhaliwal speculation - Canucks really want a D man Now! - Canucks working phones hard - they love Tanev and Zadorov but CGY charging them a premium which Canucks think is rediculous given they will both be UFAs and even if traded Tanev may hold out to sign with chance to take to VAN after July 1 - they didn’t get into prices - a lot of teams calling on Tanev - CGY wants to move all players East if true that is an issue. the east playoff race is much more competitive not likely many teams want to sell their RD defenceman at this moment, its very possible that A LD 5/6th defenceman becomes available as a rookie or journeyman passes a player on a depth chart mid-season, or a team pushes out a player or a player demands a trade. im guessing our GM knows how angry this fanbase will be if we overpay, a trade is likely all but done with calgary, it isnt happening. we will have to work hard to find a player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, canucks curse said: Per 650 and Dhaliwal speculation - Canucks really want a D man Now! 19 minutes ago, canucks curse said: - Canucks working phones hard 19 minutes ago, canucks curse said: - they love Tanev and Zadorov but CGY charging them a premium which Canucks think is rediculous given they will both be UFAs and even if traded Tanev may hold out to sign with chance to take to VAN after July 1 19 minutes ago, canucks curse said: - they didn’t get into prices - a lot of teams calling on Tanev - CGY wants to move all players East 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackleford Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Canucks will land a dman not from Calgary and then sign Zads and Tanev in UFA. We will then proceed to lol at Calgary. Hughes - Hronek Cole - trade Soucy - Zads Tanev 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Just now, Rusty Shackleford said: Canucks will land a dman not from Calgary and then sign Zads and Tanev in UFA. We will then proceed to lol at Calgary. Hughes - Hronek Cole - trade Soucy - Zads Tanev Calgary is being stupid if they are not looking at best value in a deal, and just looking to move players east. Its like the draft, BPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 6 hours ago, aGENT said: Better long term fit (age, health etc), given Cole may need to be replaced as soon as this summer. And either can play his off side until then. But yes, 2nd pair RD is by far out bigger need. THAT is what we should be spending any potential first + prospect + Beau/Garland on. Another "Hronek" type trade. As I've said before in this thread... happy to spend those assets on a guy like Andersson (or similar). Zadorov is a "want", not a "need" given we already have Cole right now. If you can add him for a reasonable ask... by all means. If not, he's a great summer/UFA target to replace Cole next year. He's not someone I'm interested in getting in to a bidding war over, or paying "division rival" tax on. To be honest, if Cole continues to play the way he has, I see no problem with offering him another year or two at the same rate. He has come exactly as advertised - a physical defensive defenceman who kills penalties and also takes a lot of penalties. I also see no reason why he'd say no. 2 hours ago, SilentSam said: My thoughts on Tanev are parallel as this posters comments from another board. ”Tanev makes 4.5 mil AAV and is a UFA at the end of the year. What would you be willing to give up in a trade that would free up that amount of cap for us to take him on? If we did manage to trade and get him over here, what salary and term are you offering this 34 year old, injury prone, veteran to keep him happy here? My opinion is that he doesnt belong in the top 4 on any decent team anymore. I would consider bringing him in as the 5th man in free agency, no more than 2 mil AAV over 2 years.” Tanev being injury prone hasn't yet affected his on-ice performance when he's out there. As long as he dresses up, he is a legit top-4 defenceman who's worth every penny. As long as he puts up another 65-70 games this year, he is going to earn much more than a meagre $2M. In hindsight, he performed above Calgary's pay and expectations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, canucks curse said: Per 650 and Dhaliwal speculation - Canucks really want a D man Now! - Canucks working phones hard - they love Tanev and Zadorov but CGY charging them a premium which Canucks think is rediculous given they will both be UFAs and even if traded Tanev may hold out to sign with chance to take to VAN after July 1 - they didn’t get into prices - a lot of teams calling on Tanev - CGY wants to move all players East I like the idea of us going for it this year. It’s kinda like when the Raptors traded for Leonard. They seen a gaping hole in their conference because of injuries and such to the bigger teams…they capitalized on a 1 year shot to the finals and they won it all. The east this year is full of hard to beat teams but in the west the door is wide open for us aside from Vegas, maybe Colorado (but they don’t have the goaltending). While not a guarantee the outlook is promising. I think it’s ballsy but it’s worth doing imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 No one should be surprised cgy isn’t keen on helping the Canucks only leverage we may have is IF tanev is like id like to go back to Van and CGY does him a solid To Van: pesce to car: beau, podz, 2024 1st pick let’s get back on pesce choo choo train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Billabong said: No one should be surprised cgy isn’t keen on helping the Canucks only leverage we may have is IF tanev is like id like to go back to Van and CGY does him a solid To Van: pesce to car: beau, podz, 2024 1st pick let’s get back on pesce choo choo train love Pesce Pesce > Tanev/Zadorov, but CAR looks like willing to hold on to him for now, not many teams way out of it yet ones who are - CBJ, SEA, SJS... is SEA out of it...? with Myers off the books at end of this year, IMO we will need 2 NHL RD... Move 1: to SEA Podkolzin + 2025 1st + Karlsson+ Beauvellier +garland + Silovs to VAN Adam Larsson (31 yr RD 2 years left at 4.0) Brandon Tanev (3.5 mil) Move 2: Sign Tanev in offseason Milky Petey Kuzy PDG Miller Brock Tanev Suter Hoglander Joshua Bluegger Lafferty Hughes Hronek Cole (re sign ) Larsson Soucy Tanev Demko Desmith that's top roster in NHL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Just now, canucks curse said: love Pesce Pesce > Tanev/Zadorov, but CAR looks like willing to hold on to him for now, not many teams way out of it yet ones who are - CBJ, SEA, SJS... is SEA out of it...? with Myers off the books at end of this year, IMO we will need 2 NHL RD... Move 1: to SEA Podkolzin + 2025 1st + Karlsson+ Beauvellier +garland + Silovs to VAN Adam Larsson (31 yr RD 2 years left at 4.0) Brandon Tanev (3.5 mil) Move 2: Sign Tanev in offseason Milky Petey Kuzy PDG Miller Brock Tanev Suter Hoglander Joshua Bluegger Lafferty Hughes Hronek Cole (re sign ) Larsson Soucy Tanev Demko Desmith that's top roster in NHL I would stay way from any interdivisional trade ideas…its a very rare thing to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: To be honest, if Cole continues to play the way he has, I see no problem with offering him another year or two at the same rate. He has come exactly as advertised - a physical defensive defenceman who kills penalties and also takes a lot of penalties. I also see no reason why he'd say no. Don't disagree. Zadorov is basically a younger, bigger, meaner, longer term version of him though. If we can add him for moderate asset cost, or as a UFA (for zero assets), he'd lend some longer term stability to that 2nd pair LD, and some cost certainty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Attila Umbrus said: I like the idea of us going for it this year. It’s kinda like when the Raptors traded for Leonard. They seen a gaping hole in their conference because of injuries and such to the bigger teams…they capitalized on a 1 year shot to the finals and they won it all. The east this year is full of hard to beat teams but in the west the door is wide open for us aside from Vegas, maybe Colorado (but they don’t have the goaltending). While not a guarantee the outlook is promising. I think it’s ballsy but it’s worth doing imo. agree - but - I think now is the time... yes we did not expect this but Miller, Demko, hughes and Petey = our core and they are all having career years, I would be open to trading Hogz, Podz, 2025 1st, 2024 1st, hirose, karlasson, mcdonaugh, all in the right deals of course to get us 1-2 d man and another tough good 3rd liner while moving out beauvillier and maybe garland.... the Time Is now!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, canucks curse said: love Pesce Pesce > Tanev/Zadorov, but CAR looks like willing to hold on to him for now, not many teams way out of it yet ones who are - CBJ, SEA, SJS... is SEA out of it...? with Myers off the books at end of this year, IMO we will need 2 NHL RD... Move 1: to SEA Podkolzin + 2025 1st + Karlsson+ Beauvellier +garland + Silovs to VAN Adam Larsson (31 yr RD 2 years left at 4.0) Brandon Tanev (3.5 mil) Move 2: Sign Tanev in offseason Milky Petey Kuzy PDG Miller Brock Tanev Suter Hoglander Joshua Bluegger Lafferty Hughes Hronek Cole (re sign ) Larsson Soucy Tanev Demko Desmith that's top roster in NHL I love the way B Tanev plays too he's got the hustle big time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Billabong said: No one should be surprised cgy isn’t keen on helping the Canucks only leverage we may have is IF tanev is like id like to go back to Van and CGY does him a solid To Van: pesce to car: beau, podz, 2024 1st pick let’s get back on pesce choo choo train Cowgary is dumb for letting this out. All it does is drive down the price from eastern teams. They won't do Tanev a favour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, canucks curse said: love Pesce Pesce > Tanev/Zadorov, but CAR looks like willing to hold on to him for now, not many teams way out of it yet ones who are - CBJ, SEA, SJS... is SEA out of it...? with Myers off the books at end of this year, IMO we will need 2 NHL RD... Move 1: to SEA Podkolzin + 2025 1st + Karlsson+ Beauvellier +garland + Silovs to VAN Adam Larsson (31 yr RD 2 years left at 4.0) Brandon Tanev (3.5 mil) Move 2: Sign Tanev in offseason Milky Petey Kuzy PDG Miller Brock Tanev Suter Hoglander Joshua Bluegger Lafferty Hughes Hronek Cole (re sign ) Larsson Soucy Tanev Demko Desmith that's top roster in NHL I mentioned Larsson the other day, he'd be an EXCELLENT add (as would B Tanev) IMO (was so disappointed he didn't explore UFA). Doubtful SEA moves him with 1 year left...and there's that inter-divisional thing again...but I'd sure be making a phone call. Probably prefer another piece to Podz (and Silovs) though...but those pieces can be swapped in/out endlessly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, Rick_theRyper said: I love the way B Tanev plays too he's got the hustle big time was it JR who signed him in PIT or was that after hex tall took over, in any case PA knows him well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Dankmemes187 said: the thing about penalties not being called in the playoffs doesnt exist anymore, it may come back at any time but for the last few seasons we have seen more penalties and more powerplays in the playoffs. which is a good thing for us. the league has been fairly consistent with the instigator penalty this season and PPO has gone up almost 0.5 a powerplay a game this season... the league is under scrutiny to be more consistent and they are delivering, just so happens its the year we have an amazing powerplay... this season is made for us... im more enclined to make a trade now that soucy is injured... Zadorovs minutes will be more valuable than garlands or Beaus... the only issue is Zadorov isnt a right shooting RD we need tanev more than we need zads The numbers show us that more penalties are actually called in the post season now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 minute ago, canucks curse said: was it JR who signed him in PIT or was that after hex tall took over, in any case PA knows him well Love to have both Tanev boys. Cost might be too much though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I truly don't think this is the year to be spending assets on additions. Work hard this season, get some playoff games in, try to go on a good run and spend wisely in the off season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: I truly don't think this is the year to be spending assets on additions. Work hard this season, get some playoff games in, try to go on a good run and spend wisely in the off season And with JR and Allvin that’s almost certainly what will happen. They are not Benning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I swear to some god or another that if allvin doesn't bring grease back I'm going to plop myself down next to the statue of roger neilson and self-immolate in protest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, tas said: I swear to some god or another that if allvin doesn't bring grease back I'm going to plop myself down next to the statue of roger neilson and self-immolate in protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Don't disagree. Zadorov is basically a younger, bigger, meaner, longer term version of him though. If we can add him for moderate asset cost, or as a UFA (for zero assets), he'd lend some longer term stability to that 2nd pair LD, and some cost certainty. There are definitely a lot of similarities there for sure. But here's the thing - I would rather have a couple more years of an aging Ian Cole at that price than pay Zadorov 4 years at over $4M, which I think he can pretty easily earn in free agency. Ryan Graves got 6x$4.5M this summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Flames not interested in making a trade with Canucks: report Nov 17 2023, 1:43 pm My guess is Zadorov goes to TOR. Conroy does a deal with the ex-Flames GM, Treliving. Maybe Gio+ returns to CGY. What's Edler doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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