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[GDT] - November 15th 2023 - Canucks vs Islanders @ Rogers Arena - 7:00 PM PDT - SNP, AM650 - Bo-o Horvat Edition

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Rather than boo or clap for Horvat, people should just yawn or be like “meh” when it comes time to acknowledge him.

He was an adequate captain, but didn’t do anything all that memorable from my perspective. He’s not deserving of the money he gets now, and I’m glad we traded him when we did, as we wouldn’t be able to afford him without sacrificing key pieces. 
I haven’t missed him at all, if I’m being completely honest, and in weird ways I think he absence may have helped others like Miller become more solidified as part of the team moving ahead. 

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2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I never realized that he said he’d tell you that for free. Now I get it @iinatcc! Now I get it. 
 

Even though he was a total dumbass for saying that, booing him is still a bad idea. Hitting him into next week on the other hand….

I think we just shit on the islanders and call it a day, we have bigger fish to fry.

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13 minutes ago, SnakeDoctor said:

I hope Horvat gets crushed against the boards and goes to the bench limping

What a disgusting piece of trash wishing for someone to get injured over a comment. I might as well hope you get crushed in an accident and get out crawling?

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5 minutes ago, John.Tallhouse said:

I think we just shit on the islanders and call it a day, we have bigger fish to fry.

Well the old Islander logo (when they changed it from the classic one) was basically Captain Highliner!:

 

 

I dunno, that was one creepy dude.  Gave off Peter Graves & the little kid in the Airplane! movie vibes to me.🥸

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Canucks: 'People should welcome and celebrate him,' says Quinn Hughes on Bo Horvat

 

The numbers never added up for Bo Horvat.

 

The former Vancouver Canucks captain put up impressive stats on the ice, and the fans who lauded his contributions here were considerable. However, all that didn’t add up to a number that mattered most for satisfaction and security — a contract extension.

 

We all know the story.

 

J.T. Miller got the money and Horvat became a trade chip in a blockbuster Jan. 30 swap with the New York Islanders to address a number of concerns. It also ignited red-hot debate about what was actually going on in the room and how it may have transcended to the ice.

 

Especially after an elated Horvat addressed the Islanders’ home crowd following an April victory with a summation that was about frustration with Canucks management and not the fans.

 

“It’s been unbelievable,” he said. “It’s a lot better than Vancouver, I’ll tell you that.”

 

So, how should Horvat be greeted Wednesday at Rogers Arena?

 

“Oh, God. I’m not going to dip my toe into that basket,” Miller said Tuesday following a short practice at UBC. “Obviously, there were a lot of rumours and stuff. He was a great teammate and a really great friend and a really good person.

 

“No matter what happens with the response in the rink (Wednesday), we all know what kind of guy he was in the room. Dealing with you guys (media) is a big part of the market here and a lot of influence outside the rink.

 

“Every single day, no matter what, he was very even-keeled talking to the media and teammates. You can’t really say much more about a guy. It will be good to see him out there and we expect him to be flying.”

 

Horvat got career security with a mammoth eight-year, $68-million US commitment from the Islanders, but his original commitment to the Canucks was never questioned. He was purposely groomed by Henrik and Daniel Sedin to be as good off the ice as he was on it. 

 

A respectful small-town kid with big-city dreams, he led by example, but maybe that wasn’t good enough for some.

 

Horvat answered his critics with 31 goals and 54 points in just 49 games last season before being dealt. He ranks 10th in franchise scoring with 420 points (201-219) in 518 games, and was good in the faceoff circle and special teams.

 

Horvat never commanded the spotlight, but it always found him. Especially when he had to accentuate the positive for a team that was off the rails after an 0-5-2 start last fall.

It’s why captain Quinn Hughes has admiration for how Horvat dealt with it all. It’s easy to talk after a win, but much harder after a string of setbacks. How should that be saluted by fans?

 

“I think the reaction should be really good,” said Hughes. “People should welcome him and celebrate him. He put in nine really good years here. He was really solid and never complained. A leader who just put in his work and a guy you could go to, if you needed to talk to someone.

 

“It wasn’t always the easiest years, and he would always step right in front of it (demands). It’s easy when you’re 11-3-1.”

 

The Canucks rationalized the Horvat trade with the need for salary cap space to bolster the back end. They had to land a potential top-six forward, a prospect centre and add roster stiffness. And they still had to crunch daunting numbers in hopes of extending the contract of NHL leading scorer Elias Pettersson.

 

In the Horvat swap, they acquired winger Anthony Beauviller, prospect centre Aatu Raty, and turning a first-round pick into a package for defenceman Filip Hronek. They have gone from playoff pretenders to contenders.

 

The Canucks are better now. But there was thought a year ago that a mechanism to retain Horvat, even after Miller got his seven-year, $56-million extension, was not far-fetched.

A well-connected NHL industry insider provided the numbers and moves.

 

He reasoned a Horvat leap from $5.5 million to market value of $8 million wasn’t daunting, if there was a willingness for other moves. Miller’s extension required an additional $2.75 million to the cap. By adding $2.5 million for a Horvat extension, and give pending unrestricted free agent Andrei Kuzmenko a $2-million bump, it added up to $7.25 million.

 

The Canucks got $2.4 million back in dead money from Braden Holtby and Jake Virtanen, and the salary cap ceiling was expected to increase by at least $1 million next season. The bottom line is the club had to find $3.74 million to retain Horvat and address other roster priorities.

 

At the time, the insider believed Conor Garland or Ilya Mikheyev could easily be moved, which doesn’t fly now with the way Mikheyev has recovered from February knee surgery with six goals in 11 games.

 

Another option was to get creative with Brock Boeser, Tyler Myers and Tanner Pearson to clear cap space and acquire draft picks. The Canucks did move Pearson for back-up goalie Casey DeSmith, and their patience with Boeser has resulted in the winger icing a complete game and a dozen goals through 15 games, second best in the NHL.

 

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“Oh, God. I’m not going to dip my toe into that basket,” Miller said Tuesday following a short practice at UBC. “Obviously, there were a lot of rumours and stuff. He was a great teammate and a really great friend and a really good person.

 

Oh but the toe has been dipped.

 

Great teammate.

Really great friend.

Really good person.

 

There are levels of adjectives here that require full dissection.

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No ill will for Bo.

He was a good captain in very challenging times. Not the best, but I can think of a few worse. He was a beast in the Covid bubble year is probably my personal high with his play.

We are a better team now without an extra 8M going to Bo so the right move was made, and I believe Hughes makes his teammates more accountable. 

 

In the end just beat Bo and Co.!

 

 

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6 hours ago, -AJ- said:

 

Meh, Wolanin deserves it way more, but I like Hirose too. Let's see how he does if he plays. I expect he will, given that Soucy was playing LD.

Hirose doesn't have to go on waivers to go back to Abby in a week. It's a short cup of coffee, not a long term stay. If Soucy was going to be out an extended period, PA would have likely called Wolanin up.

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6 minutes ago, Barnstorm said:

Wish I knew what exactly it is that Bo Horvat did to get so many peoples knickers in such a knot. Judging by some of the posts here  many must be scarred for life. 
 

Focus needs to be on positive things rather than dwelling on negative. 

 

I think it's what he said about Vancouver that's gotten some fans quite upset. 

 

For me, I don't really care. In some ways, I'm glad he's gone, cause the culture of the team was spiralling out of control. And Bo's not worth 8.5M. The only reason he got that from the Islanders, is because they had to resign him. 8.5M for the next 8 years (36 yo); and this season (at least so far) he's got 11 points in 15 games. Miller on the other hand, has 23 points, in 15 games - and he's being paid 8M. Yes, Miller's 2 years older than Bo - but i don't see that as too much of a difference at this stage of their career. Islanders are also the 6th oldest team in the NHL. Horvat's going to be in the middle of a rebuild by the time he's half way into his contract. Will he want out of New York at that time? 

 

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26 minutes ago, Western Red said:

“Oh, God. I’m not going to dip my toe into that basket,” Miller said Tuesday following a short practice at UBC. “Obviously, there were a lot of rumours and stuff. He was a great teammate and a really great friend and a really good person.

 

Oh but the toe has been dipped.

 

Great teammate.

Really great friend.

Really good person.

 

There are levels of adjectives here that require full dissection.

It appears your post has been redacted.

some heavy confidential spy shit?

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5 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

 

I would be very embarrassed for our fanbase if he gets booed.  Hockey fans across the league would be in unison and bash us for it.

 

Gets traded because we have no money and he's playing too well.  What he later said for free is not enough to garner boos.  It's just not.

 

 

Our captain is going to play 30 minutes isn't he

 

And who the hell is Basran

Yeah The top four are going to play a LOT of minutes. I'd expect Hirose to get 10 and Juulsen to play less than 15, it's probably why they gave Myers the maintenance day. Isn't Basran the equipment manager who stands in goal at practice to manage Demko's minutes?

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